thor hand, need input

Submitted by : n0rthf4ce

PokerStars Game #9125307952: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2007/03/27 - 23:56:53 (ET)
Table 'Eurysaces IV' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: hotmark777 ($10780.40 in chips)
Seat 3: AA_Legend ($975 in chips)
Seat 4: MrSweets28 ($5050 in chips)
Seat 5: garyl ($4418.40 in chips)
Seat 6: thorladen ($11925 in chips)
Seat 7: GIT727 ($5000 in chips)
Seat 8: p3achy_keen ($5000 in chips)
Seat 9: play2kill ($13607.30 in chips)
thorladen: posts small blind $25
GIT727: posts big blind $50

Holecards
Dealt to p3achy_keen
p3achy_keen: folds
play2kill: calls $50
hotmark777: calls $50
AA_Legend: folds
MrSweets28: calls $50
garyl: folds
thorladen: calls $25
GIT727: raises $300 to $350
play2kill: calls $300
hotmark777: calls $300
MrSweets28: calls $300
thorladen: calls $300

Flop (Pot : $1750)

   
thorladen: checks
GIT727: checks
play2kill: checks
hotmark777: checks
MrSweets28: checks

Turn (Pot : $1750)

   
thorladen: checks
GIT727: bets $250
play2kill: calls $250
hotmark777: calls $250
MrSweets28: calls $250
thorladen: calls $250

River (Pot : $3000)

   
thorladen: checks
GIT727: checks
play2kill: checks
hotmark777: checks
MrSweets28: checks

Showdown
thorladen: shows (a flush, King high)
GIT727: mucks hand
play2kill: mucks hand
hotmark777: mucks hand
MrSweets28: mucks hand
thorladen collected $2997 from pot

Summary
Total pot $3000 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 2: hotmark777 mucked
Seat 3: AA_Legend folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: MrSweets28 mucked
Seat 5: garyl (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: thorladen (small blind) showed and won ($2997) with a flush, King high
Seat 7: GIT727 (big blind) mucked
Seat 8: p3achy_keen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: play2kill mucked

Weird.. I think if we lead nothing but a lower/higher flush will pay us off unless someones being stationy, but I think its more likely that we get paid by a lower flush / station than inducing a bluff, although a lower flush probably Vbets small aswell as calls a small vbet.

I prefer a lead of 1-1.5k although it seems it's most likely only marginally better IMO.

What about c/ring the turn here? to ~2k

100% agree with thor
betting is almost a total spew
maybe T or 8 high flush calls, but nothing lower than that

dunno if i even like the turn call that much since hes basically saying hes not making any more money if he hits
but betting is spew yes for sure super duper

On March 27 2007 23:45 PoorUser wrote: dunno if i even like the turn call that much since hes basically saying hes not making any more money if he hits but betting is spew yes for sure super duper

Cant the turn call be justified by pot odds? It's something like 11:1?
Or are you saying that despite the odds, if we think even hitting the flush is no good (thus not making any more money if he hits), being given pot odds simply does not matter?

Inducing a bluff is definitely the best line. Also if someone made a straight on the river with that card they're more likely to value bet it after many checks than to pay off a front bet on that kind of river.

ehh I think you call the turn in hopes of everyone checking a spade river

definitely don't bet, check call is probably also bad unless its GIT or mrsweets betting.

On March 28 2007 00:13 gawdawaful wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2007 23:45 PoorUser wrote: dunno if i even like the turn call that much since hes basically saying hes not making any more money if he hits but betting is spew yes for sure super duper Cant the turn call be justified by pot odds? It's something like 11:1? Or are you saying that despite the odds, if we think even hitting the flush is no good (thus not making any more money if he hits), being given pot odds simply does not matter?

11:1 is enough. we have the third nut flush draw, and anyone with a nut flush draw probably would have taken more initiative at some point, but even without this read (that prob. nobody has the nut draw), 11:1 is still enough.

My thoughts on this hand:

It doesnt show here but i timed down on the turn a little bit not deciding whether to call or not but whether to raise or call and what to do on all rivers. I decided that a raise wasnt credible enough since i checked flop and they might shoot out that i didnt hit a set or straight on turn and pop me hard. Then I decide that a non spade i was given up on river and the ace of spades I would bet since i am very likely good now having the j9 of spades takes a lot of flushes that are higher away qj j10 not out there so q10 which is not so likely is only hand that beats me that is a legitish(nice word huh?) hand. If the river were the q spades I think that is the most interesting card as im probably only losing to a10ss.

As far as getting a set or 2 pair to call i say phoooooooooooooy. Its just not out there on that flop and turn action we would so likely have seen someone take it down earlier unless the river made them and i think its a fantasy to think they paying you. The other problem with betting besides losing to higher flush is that the ace of spades can own you here with a push and theres a lotta cheese out there for this move to be profitable. Much better to try to pick off a mark or sweets bad bluff.


All in all I feel good about this one.

Thor wins.

a whole lotta cheese indeed
strong turn play from git anyways

and this is why im not going anywhere near FR

i still dont get why everyone says c/c is best line, because honestly there are 2 people in the hand who will call w/ as bad as 5-7, i dunno who will call w/ 77, and im sure almost everyone will call w/ J high flush.

i can understand this play much more if we say we DON'T call a large bet from a good player. otherwise it really doesn't make any sense not to bet but always to c/c, because i really believe no one is betting at this unless they have a flush and there are players in this hand who will make crying calls with much less than a flush.

whatever, i guess thor wins --~

i run irun irun


ok so the reason i run is when my brother was small he couldnt say his w's to well, so he won like a game of checkers of some shit and and started shouting i run i run i run
Mom told him he won not run. So he starts running around in circles and says "no mommy this is i won".

i had the opposite problem =D that wascally wabbit

raise turn as a semibluff is bad
call turn is ok
river depends (_AS_USUAL_) on your opponents, if they calldown lights in that kind of pots, if ure known to steal uncontested multiway pots oop, if anyone is doing this often and his currently in a good spot to steal.... that's more a feeling than anything else