KK preflop FOLD

Submitted by : Donald

PokerStars Game #4762738026: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2006/04/27 - 19:24:34 (ET)
Table 'Koronis III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: SmallFRYbigF ($281.60 in chips)
Seat 4: cubdust ($200 in chips)
Seat 5: aware ($66.70 in chips)
Seat 6: The Book13 ($38.90 in chips)
SmallFRYbigF: posts small blind $1
cubdust: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to SmallFRYbigF
MSUTANK has returned
aware: raises $6 to $8
The Book13: folds
SmallFRYbigF: raises $12 to $20
cubdust: raises $20 to $40
aware: folds
MSUTANK said, "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
SmallFRYbigF: calls $20

Flop (Pot : $88)

   
SmallFRYbigF: checks
cubdust: bets $18
SmallFRYbigF: calls $18

Turn (Pot : $124)

   
SmallFRYbigF: checks
cubdust: bets $30
SmallFRYbigF: calls $30

River (Pot : $184)

   
SmallFRYbigF: checks
cubdust: bets $50
SmallFRYbigF: calls $50

Showdown
cubdust: shows (a pair of Aces)
SmallFRYbigF: mucks hand
cubdust collected $282 from pot

Summary
Total pot $284 | Rake $2
Board  
Seat 1: SmallFRYbigF (small blind) mucked
Seat 4: cubdust (big blind) showed and won ($282) with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: aware folded before Flop
Seat 6: The Book13 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

This is probably the worst play I've ever done in my life... but I think that betting sequence says AA... I've lost 3 buys this week like this... the other 2 were all in preflops but this time I said... wait, the only hands this guy would play this way are KK or AA.... in fact, it's the same analysis used to throw QQ away preflop... because if you throw QQ down you're afraid of AA or KK... but if you have KK it's likely he has AA.

4 handed i dont think theres anything wrong here - unless you have a VERY strong read

I called preflop because it was 10% of my stack to see a flop where I'd trip 14% of the time... my goal was to trip and stack or miss and fold... but how could I let go of KK to such weak bets.... it seems like he has AK and is doing a very weak continuation bet... in reality, the pot is huge, and he knows I'm only drawing to a 2 outer... so why not take advantage and slowly push my money in. He has 3 chances to bet so why not bet an irrissitable amount first...

From now on when I sniff out AA like this... I'm folding... does it sound smart?

Use the spade icon for the love of god.

why not check/raise and find out right there on the flop insteald of sometimes laying down to queens

Also, since I would only do this bettin sequence with 2 hand... the reraise from 8 to 20$... It would be unprofitable for someone to try to push me off of KK.... if I were to play it the same way as AA up till that point

what do I mean... well say, everytime I reraise to 20$.... say everytime that happens someone comes over the top of me and reraises to 40 or whatever. Action, if I have AA I reraise and lets say he folds and I take 40$, if I had KK I fold and he takes 20$. Since you get AA as much as KK, I would have KK 50% of the time and AA the other 50%... so I would have an expected value of 10$ per hand profit if it were to go no further with my AA holding.

For this reason I don't think folding KK in this situation is a weak play... even without a player specific read.

Feel free to rip me up

On April 27 2006 17:22 Baal wrote: why not check/raise and find out right there on the flop insteald of sometimes laying down to queens

because if he pushed queens that much preflop which is doubtful he will be willing to go all the way with it here if I put him to the test.... but perhaps, he will check out QQ after I call the bet. If I raise and he calls.... he still could have AA... remember his small flop bet was small because he's slowly getting my money in... he doesn't need to reraise me.