$12/180 hand

Early on, no reads.

I feel like this is a situation that happens a lot in tournaments, and I never really know what to do.

I'm OOP with a really strong hand. He doesn't ever fold a Jack here, I don't think.

I also don't know if he'd bluff a missed draw if i call then check river.

Thoughts?

Submitted by : nutshot

PokerStars Game #11969844551: Tournament #60742139, $11+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/09/09 - 21:36:34 (ET)
Table '60742139 5' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: winwinjerry (1665 in chips)
Seat 2: nutshot2 (2545 in chips)
Seat 3: abouzzooz (1765 in chips)
Seat 4: Waygo Hunter (2900 in chips)
Seat 5: doubleflop00 (1120 in chips)
Seat 6: RevmodPoker (2530 in chips)
Seat 7: JakeDahl (1470 in chips)
Seat 8: skubes1 (1450 in chips)
Seat 9: AdamBomb74 (2040 in chips)
nutshot2 : posts small blind 15
abouzzooz: posts big blind 30

Holecards
Dealt to nutshot2
Waygo Hunter: folds
doubleflop00: folds
RevmodPoker: folds
JakeDahl: folds
skubes1: folds
AdamBomb74: calls 30
winwinjerry: calls 30
nutshot2 : calls 15
abouzzooz: checks

Flop (Pot : $120.00)

   
nutshot2 : bets 90
abouzzooz: folds
AdamBomb74: calls 90
winwinjerry: folds

Turn (Pot : $300.00)

   
nutshot2 : bets 230
AdamBomb74: raises 370 to 600

he has about 1300 behind, we cover

obviously our choices are

a. shove

b. call, and vbet river

c. call, and shove river

d. call, and check river

in position, i'd probably just call here... but OOP i never know what to do.

E. Minraise.

min3bet...he either gets it in now or pot is big enough to get it in on river

Seriously, I feel like a huge donkey saying to minraise, but it may well be the best play. He's probably not going to fold a draw getting those odds. He won't fold a jack. He may be enticed to call with some random weak hand and then call again on river.

if he's raising you with a draw he is not going to fold to a raise, and if you think he has a hand he is never going to fold then your obvious answer is to raise here.

I dont know if it matters how much you raise, any raise you put in commits you and he should be able to see that. although a miniraise could get more action here than a push, so why not

On September 09 2007 18:50 whaackum wrote: if he's raising you with a draw he is not going to fold to a raise

this is most likely not true, not like hes calling off 1400 with a naked FD, dont even know if hed have odds to call with some huge draw

^do you think he is raising a draw here to build a pot in case he does hit or trying to push us out, or do you think its not possible for him to be on a draw here

its possible that he could have a draw, it would be more likely if this were raised pf since some people will try to rep that second jack with a draw (and still somewhat possible here) but you dont build the pot here with one card to come when you have nothing

agreed, that being said i still like a raise here oop

i also probably jam here
he most likely never folds a jack ever on any river though so there is a fair argument for calling and then deciding, i think it raelly depends on the player to [a] just call the turn and [b] whether to check or push (no other bets) but default is push on turn since you'll probably never call a draw on turn (board paired oop) and then bluff a missed river

i jammed, he folded

i hate call - vbet tbh giving his range it makes no sense, imo its either Jam or C/C turn C/R river

i agree with the minraise although call//jamming river is ok too. dont like shoving just because of how strong a move it is on the turn based on how the hands been played