Straight vs. big fat bet

So there I am sitting very deep stacked and then this hand comes along... Villain just sat down so no stats on him yet.

Submitted by : thestoryteller

POKERSTARS GAME #15875553750: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/10 - 07:47:19 (ET)
Table 'Clemence III' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: pasteboard ($1.96 in chips)
Seat 2: copeton ($6.76 in chips)
Seat 3: Holzfäller06 ($1.93 in chips)
Seat 4: timono1 ($4.18 in chips)
Seat 5: flauscher ($1.60 in chips)
Seat 6: jucagor ($2.12 in chips)
Seat 7: YES. Bet ($5 in chips)
Seat 8: Karen668 ($9.61 in chips)
Seat 9: choya-sig357 ($1.25 in chips)
pasteboard: posts small blind $0.01
copeton: posts big blind $0.02

Holecards
Dealt to Karen668
Holzfäller06: calls $0.02
timono1: folds
flauscher: folds
jucagor: folds
YES. Bet: folds
Karen668 : raises $0.08 to $0.10
choya-sig357: folds
pasteboard: folds
copeton: calls $0.08
Holzfäller06: calls $0.08

Flop (Pot : $0.31)

   
copeton: checks
Holzfäller06: checks
Karen668 : bets $0.25
copeton: calls $0.25
Holzfäller06: folds

Turn (Pot : $0.81)

   
copeton: checks
Karen668 : checks

River (Pot : $0.81)

   
copeton: checks
Karen668 : bets $0.30
copeton: raises $6.11 to $6.41 and is all-in

Dude, if villain is deepstacked as well, he did play some big pots already, he didn't just sat down. I find it always so lame and easy to say 'no info on villain', thats just saying, "I didnt really pay attention", so please just say that instead of "villain just sat down", which is obv false.

About the hand, because its NL2 I instacall, more often than not villain will have a lower straight or trips or does something retarded. QT and QJ are a cooler I think, and actually, he has to be pretty retarded to check his trips that turned into a FH on the river when you checked turn behind. But hey, as said you should know if villain is decent or not.......

you need to be right ~ 50% of the time to make this call, id personally call here because its nl2 only but at nl10 or something id turbomuck this(as its a fullhouse 70+% of the time).

p.s. bet the river properly, not some halfassed 1/3rd potbet

I dunno... He'd only been there about 20 minutes, and this was what made him deep stacked. Seemed standard to me. What should I look out for?

Submitted by : thestoryteller

POKERSTARS GAME #15875518855: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/10 - 07:43:22 (ET)
Table 'Clemence III' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: pasteboard ($1.22 in chips)
Seat 2: copeton ($5.59 in chips)
Seat 3: Holzfäller06 ($1.93 in chips)
Seat 4: timono1 ($4.18 in chips)
Seat 5: flauscher ($1.47 in chips)
Seat 6: jucagor ($2.16 in chips)
Seat 7: YES. Bet ($5.01 in chips)
Seat 8: Karen668 ($9.64 in chips)
Seat 9: choya-sig357 ($1.31 in chips)
YES. Bet: posts small blind $0.01
Karen668 : posts big blind $0.02

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Karen668
choya-sig357: folds
pasteboard: calls $0.02
copeton: calls $0.02
Holzfäller06: folds
timono1: folds
flauscher: calls $0.02
jucagor: folds
YES. Bet: folds
Karen668 : checks

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.09)

   
Karen668 : checks
pasteboard: bets $0.02
copeton: raises $0.18 to $0.20
flauscher: folds
Karen668 : folds
pasteboard: calls $0.18

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $0.49)

   
pasteboard: checks
copeton: bets $0.60
pasteboard: calls $0.60

River (Pot : $1.69)

   
pasteboard: checks
copeton: bets $0.70
pasteboard: calls $0.40 and is all-in

Showdown
copeton: shows (two pair, Kings and Queens)
pasteboard: mucks hand
copeton collected $2.39 from pot

Summary
Total pot $2.49 | Rake $0.10
Board  
Seat 1: pasteboard mucked
Seat 2: copeton showed and won ($2.39) with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 3: Holzfäller06 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: timono1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: flauscher folded on the Flop
Seat 6: jucagor (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: YES. Bet (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Karen668 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: choya-sig357 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

u can buy into these tables for like 5$ so u start off 250bbs deep

what u should note here is the aggression factor, 0.8 is very passive so he's just calling bets a lot postflop, now what u have to think about is that he shoved allin & has this stat

id probably fold cuz its at least AK (splitting) or a fullhouse of some type and u have very little in the pot already

On March 10 2008 06:40 ggplz wrote: what u should note here is the aggression factor, 0.8 is very passive so he's just calling bets a lot postflop, now what u have to think about is that he shoved allin & has this stat

I see... I wasn't sure what to make of it because of the small sample size, but I guess it becomes clearer in relation to the large(ish) VPIP. Thanks!

I would never fall for this, his bet is gigantic compared to the pot and just because of that you shouldn't call. If he has a full, he will know he can't get value off his good hands vs you if he does dumb moves in the future, plus i can't see him doing that without the nuts since you could hold a full on this board so basically it's a very bad attempt at getting value with his boat OR he's ubber retarded, in both cases just turbo fold...

fold

Obviously, you're not going to get good accurate numbers / a defined aggression factor against most 2nl fish, I don't play with gametime or even a PT timer running most of the time...should probably start. Would save me a ton in shitty hero calls.

Anyway, with any kind of "weak/passive loose pf fish" read and/or impression that you were likely to get if you were playing close attention, this is a fold. You need an opposite read, swung very far the "other way" (weak/aggro retard) to make this call.

instamuck

depends of the guy if he s concidered a "grinder" on this level easy fold