should i fold the nuts?

abrasive is a GENIUS
hahahaha

reading abrasives comment hurt my brain
and catyou that is a cool situation to try to make... im going to try to come up with that later

Catyoul, Intuitively sounds something like AA vs AK vs AK vs the rest pocket pairs, some will get set ;D Dunno. Should think it over probably.

what are you all laughing at, this just makes me cry

Many sad things are funny.

what the fuck is this

rofl i just told nazgul we should consider banning abrasive


then i read page 2

On January 03 2006 07:53 Taveren wrote: its not a bad question. just like those who ask who should fold AA. in fact this situation is exactly similar to when u should fold AA. also, i'd fold the nuts if its likely someone else has it with a redraw and the pot is small.

What do you mean? AA is the nuts preflop, so you never ever fold it preflop, except in a weird case in a tournament, e.g. a 5-way all-in in front of you, seven-handed at the final table or something. In a cash game, you can only fold AA preflop if you hate money . After the flop you're usually WA/WB, so you figure it out and act accordingly.

Good point about the redraw in a small pot.

Daut44 your lucky 6-8 didnt call you there ;0

On January 03 2006 10:29 Muhweli wrote: Quite irrelevant since the situation could be for example KQJT double suited flop where you hold the ace. Not too much difference anyway.

It is so fucking relevant.

The guy should never ever ever ever fold 86 there.

On January 03 2006 03:04 abrasive-x wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2006 02:54 Twisted wrote: You need at least a 25% chance of winning against 3 stacks to make this profitable. You have more than 40%, what the fuck are you trying to make some point here? Or just trolling again? wtf u talking about dumbass. since u have 40% chance to win, it means you are the underdog... it doenst matter how many people are in it. vs a set, a flush and a higher straight draw with the 9J possibly, i dotn think u have 40%anymore.

OK I'm going to explain this with an extreme example.

Lets say that I had a 10 sided dice (cause I'm a geek that role plays). Anyhow, if it comes down 1-4, I give you 100 BILLION Dollars. If it comes down 5-10 you give me 1*10^ -5000 pesos.

Would you take the deal? What you would??? WTF YOUR AN UNDERDOG! You must be fucking crazy!

But seriously though, you've got to understand this to win at poker.

abrasive if youre reading this plz dont post dumb shit after i defend you makes me look bad

i do have a question on topic though

On January 03 2006 08:15 BigBalls wrote: in omaha ive folded the nuts in hold em, you should quit if you do

What if you had JcTc on this board board: 3d As Ks Qd

for simplicity sake ignore blinds and say pot is $100 at this point with one other player in the pot and both you and him each have $950 left (1k - 50 each put in the pot). if he goes allin on this turn and shows you JsTs wouldn't it be more EV to fold?

totally theoretical and probably unrealistic, but i had to ask

of course fold

but as you said its not realistic

funny shit

On January 03 2006 13:01 Catyoul wrote: hahahahahahaha Anyway, to make a contribution to the topic, I've seen a discussion about finding an example (quite complex) of AA having 0 outs preflop... Although that needed 11 or 12 opponents IIRC to really have 0 equity, it was pretty funny :D

im really interested in this, AA would always win with an AAx board ....so you must cover a lot.
both other aces must be dealt, as well as nearly all cards of the two AA colors, and also any low board must connect with other card s to beat the AA.
you still know where to find this? i'd really like to see...

Here's an example :

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ad 0 0.00 98280 100.00 0 0.00 0.000
Ac Ah 5326 5.42 92954 94.58 0 0.00 0.054
Kc Kh 48 0.05 97874 99.59 358 0.36 0.002
Ks Kd 0 0.00 97922 99.64 358 0.36 0.002
Qs Qd 22572 22.97 75708 77.03 0 0.00 0.230
Js Jd 17484 17.79 80796 82.21 0 0.00 0.178
Ts Td 12846 13.07 85434 86.93 0 0.00 0.131
9d 8d 9867 10.04 88413 89.96 0 0.00 0.100
7d 6d 8420 8.57 86300 87.81 3560 3.62 0.104
5s 4s 9391 9.56 88889 90.44 0 0.00 0.096
3s 2s 4935 5.02 93345 94.98 0 0.00 0.050
7c 7h 3473 3.53 91247 92.84 3560 3.62 0.053

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ABRASIVE X IS DUMB

am i too late guys

hahaha