FR 200NL 2pair against unknown

Just sat down at table and this happens against unknown. Fold never entered my mind, but im just wondering what is optimal here against an unknown and id like to get some thoughts. Im inclined to call to keep villain in pot and he is showing alot of strength so my rr might enable him to fold, but the fd is there so im a little confused. Are we raising, shoving, or calling? If we're raising, as opposed to shoving, what are we raising too? Dont really care what stake you play, id just like some thoughts.
Submitted by : sirracksalot

PokerStars Game #22747041989: Holdem No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/12/08 20:14:16 ET
Table Chilton 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: AA11KK ($46.75 in chips)
Seat 2: g0_all_in ($317.85 in chips)
Seat 3: Raynor_88 ($200 in chips)
Seat 4: Glover12 ($213.75 in chips)
Seat 5: mindcirkus ($241.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Guy Soprano ($197 in chips)
Seat 7: sirracksalot ($203 in chips)
Seat 8: Raiden66121 ($200 in chips)
Seat 9: SetzerMason ($200 in chips)
Raiden66121: posts small blind $1
SetzerMason: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to sirracksalot
AA11KK: folds
g0_all_in: folds
Raynor_88: folds
Glover12: folds
mindcirkus: folds
Guy Soprano: calls $2
sirracksalot : raises $8 to $10
Raiden66121: folds
SetzerMason: folds
Guy Soprano: calls $8

Flop (Pot : $23.00)

   
Guy Soprano: bets $10
sirracksalot : raises $20 to $30
Guy Soprano: raises $30 to $60
sirracksalot :

unknown

oh yes and id like an explanation for our decision, dont just say shove or call or raise and then not give an explanation. tell me why please

we can assume his lead/min 3 bet range is like big draws 2 pairs/sets. and maybe retarded airball like 5% of the time. hrm.. i don't mind either a shove or a flat then get it in on a clean turn.

both works i guess. just make sure you pray hold before shoving you know?

Actually maybe it's closer to a flat here than a shove i'm not too sure gonna have to stove it.

i prefer a flat

flat here believe it or not specially vs a total donk this line screams strenght we are ahead of some draws but not by too much and vs sets / 9k were are really behind

so flat and let position work for you

christ when random clown CO limps and half pot leads on this board im so happy i may time out with joy - this is a SNAP shove

how can flatting be better than shoving? I dont get it, I mean he isnt following thru with 100% of his bluffs, I assume we are planning to fold on the flush card so we can be bluffed off the best hand or it can scare him if he was doing this weirdly with a tp type hand. I dont get it, I think this is either fold or shove leaning more towards the shove.

i agree with the two posts above me

probly shove is best, then go straight to KFC and buy 6 variety buckets when he folds

I'd shove cause I'd lose my erection if I'd just call and turn is Ac.

looks like an easy shove here, as you prob. don't want to give him information on the turn where he might throw his flush away anyways.

easy shove because 2 pair sucks on 4th street with like 10 cards being a brick

he has AA AK and a few combo draws often enough to make us just shove here and then cover up the table and not look back

i take it repopping it without shoving is not so good?

On December 10 2008 14:57 [vital]Myth wrote: he has AA AK and a few combo draws often enough to make us just shove here and then cover up the table and not look back

sweet im not the only one who does that lol

shove and curse stars for another setup vs 99 or 66

On December 10 2008 19:18 JizzleSmitts wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2008 14:57 [vital]Myth wrote: he has AA AK and a few combo draws often enough to make us just shove here and then cover up the table and not look back sweet im not the only one who does that lol

that's cuz you hold against Ax of clubs here every time.

assuming he does that with any FD a shove will be EV+ but i think his range is weighted more to sets and 2 pairs

On December 10 2008 19:18 JizzleSmitts wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2008 14:57 [vital]Myth wrote: he has AA AK and a few combo draws often enough to make us just shove here and then cover up the table and not look back sweet im not the only one who does that lol

+1