Transition to full ring live play - Page 2

hmmmm

a good thing to note is if youre building a hugely aggro image you have to know right away when to put on the brakes, for some reason people live never really notice when you go from laggy spewtard to mega nut peddling nit. ofc, the biggest challenge is remind yourself to not try to push a guy off his flush draw when you have 0 equity in the hand in position and stuff like that.

ofc, just raise lots with your premiums (like 10x+) and limp call with your speculative hands (68o, 810o etc)

you can raise with good sc's that flop well too, just make it like 4-5x, no one is good enough at live 1/2 to pick up on obvious betsizing tells like that, at least in my experience

On October 26 2009 21:07 Maynard! wrote: If you could only 12 table live 25-50. You'd easily make 10k/hr.

buy in as deep as you can afford

play almost every hand

if you're not deep, don't even bother isolating without like the top 10-12% of hands, you're just going to spew off most of your stack by raising weaker hands than that. u raise pre and get multiple callers and the pot is already like 40 big blinds when you have 100bb stacks. there's no room at all to try to iso with 87s or 22 whatever.

just limp along with like 90% of hands and vbet well postflop.

On October 26 2009 21:07 Maynard! wrote: If you could only 24 table live 1/2. You'd easily make 1k/hr.

would be hard to run from table to table for that many, maybe usain bolt could 24 table live 1/2. alternatively you could build 24 separate robots that can move around and have opposable digits and video cameras in the eyes, control them from your home computer and send them out to various live poker games so you can 24 table live from your computer. then just like how online players at the small stakes complain there are bots playing their games, live players will get to complain about all the actual bots as well.


johnny five alive, motherfuckers

lol ket

solid idea ket

rofl ket. solid post.

On October 26 2009 20:32 genjix wrote: Show nested quote + On October 26 2009 18:47 YoMeR wrote: i play almost any 2 in the later positions cuz it's easy to rape fish for huge profits that way. OOP i just tighten up and value town. not really to adjust to. you might over adjust and own yourself against these types of horrid players. LIMP LIMP LIMP LIMP LIMP LIMP YoMeR on the button with A2o does what? raise?

Stare down each guy who limped for about 1-2 seconds a piece. count out 100 big blinds really slowly and methodically all the while shuffling. then announce Raise and slide them in.

works every time.

your limp/reraising with AA KK is good but the looser the table is, the more hands you can do it with also, especially if the people who usually raise are sitting directly to your left. i would limp/reraise KJo like it's AAKKds and everyone else is still playing hold'em in a lot of $1/2 live games.

you should also do what frinkx said and just start out raising 6x or so and if everyone is calling, then go 7x 8x etc until they start folding. when you find that breaking point, go back down 1BB incrementally until you are getting the action that you prefer (mostly heads-up, but at least SOMEBODY is calling)

you can limp a ton also, just open limp hands that would be stupid to raise since you'll just see a big pot oop on the flop. if somebody raises, you can sometimes fold prudently with only 1BB lost, or you can sometimes reraise prudently when you have enough credibility to get away with it as a bluff, or you can call being confident that the people behind will come along too.

you also need to bet for information a lot more. most of the argument against betting for info in online games is that if you do it, you'll get shat on because people are capable of being so aggressive. not true in live games so just go for it. this means that you'll be leading out in multi-way pots far more often than you would online.

the same thing applies to betting for protection, since the multi-wayness of the pots means that you have so much more to protect against. when you have a good-but-vulnerable hand and there are 3 or more other players in the hand, a check-check-check-check-check happens a ton and you want to prevent that by just betting instead of checking to the preflop raiser.

the same thing also applies to making your bet sizes utilitarian in nature. for example, you'll almost always want to be betting as small as you can possibly get away with as a bluff, and as large as you can get away with with a big hand. the relatively small amount of history that you have at any table during a single session doesn't really influence which you should do. that is to say that just because 30 minutes ago you showed down a big hand but you were betting large for value doesn't mean that people won't fold next time you bet small as a bluff. people aren't good enough or fearless enough to try to punish you for having bet-sizing tells in low-stakes live cash games. so don't worry about having them, just make your bet sizes optimal for each situation.

you also have to pay close attention to each person's patience. the longer somebody goes without winning a pot, the more likely it is that they're going to surprise you by bluffing or making a super-loose value bet/raise that you feel is uncharacteristic of them. in online games, we frequently see that if somebody is like 15/12 with 3% 3bet in the database, then every single time they 3bet they have a hand that falls into the top 3% range. but in live games, you can play with somebody who doesn't even 3bet QQ or AK under normal circumstances, but when they get impatient due to being card dead, they start 3betting AJ and KQ habitually. so just remember that a person's gameflow is far more important than their apparent stats when you are playing live

also remember that if your decision is based on the fact that you can beat a bluff, most people in live games play so face-up preflop and on the flop that you will often be able to realize "well, he can't be bluffing because i know he didn't even see a flop with a hand that would be a bluff on this board"

this is very different from online poker where, at least against any competent reg, there are plenty of situations where somebody at least COULD conceivably be bluffing but in live that's just not the case, all your reads are much much much narrower if you just pay attention throughout the whole hand so don't forget to do so, it's easy to get lazy

On October 26 2009 20:46 Maynard! wrote: (1) Have BR (2) Have patience (3) Have a skillset able to beat micro stakes. (4) Profit. My wife played there for about a weak and she cleaned up. She's a slight winner at 100nl.

You have taught your wife well. She even starts cleaning at the casino!

hail myth

On October 27 2009 04:12 Rande wrote: Show nested quote + On October 26 2009 20:46 Maynard! wrote: (1) Have BR (2) Have patience (3) Have a skillset able to beat micro stakes. (4) Profit. My wife played there for about a weak and she cleaned up. She's a slight winner at 100nl. You have taught your wife well. She even starts cleaning at the casino!

LOL WINNARRR !!!

yeah i need a wife thats good in cleaning up as well

edjon could you tellm e if heineken tastes the same in the states

On October 27 2009 15:05 nolan wrote: edjon could you tellm e if heineken tastes the same in the states

it tastes like piss everywhere

old guys never bluff either

Ask doomer, hes pretty much turned into a live pro now.

thanks for all the advice (especially vital's elaborate post).
After 4 days of play I am still a bit negative, mainly because of running not particularly good and making too many marginal calls.

2 examples of those I played this afternoon in the MGM 1/2 NL games.

I just arrived at the table and I find KQo in middle/late position. Everybody folds to me and I raise to $6. Everybody folds, except old Texan guy in the SB who looked like TJ CLoutier. Flop comes 10 7 6 rainbow and TJ checks. I check behind, because that flop could have helped him in many ways and I could do a delayed cbet if he checked the turn. Turn is a Q, TJ checks and I overbet a bit with $15 after which he instaraises to $45. I was puzzled because of that, not sure with what kind of hands he could do that, but called. After I call he says: "there is no shame in folding". River is a K (weee top 2) and TJ instashoved for $105. I beat now lower 2 pairs and bluffs and I called and he shows me 9 8 for a flopped straight. I called the river, because I was puzzled and I had not read yet TimDawg's post that old guys never bluff.

2nd hand: A couple of hours later middle aged shortstacked Asian woman limps UTG and I find pocket aces in the CU. I raise to $15 and the button calls and the Asian woman folds. Button is a middle aged American man with a sunvisor who is probably in town for a convention and plays loose passive and I saw him 3 betting jacks earlier and playing a FD passively. Flop comes 8 8 5 with 2 clubs. I cbet $20 and he calls quickly. Turn is a blank and I check and he bets $35, and after some though I call. River is another blank, I check and after a little pause he bets $65 after which I call and he shows me 9 8s. In retrospective I should have folded the river. He may be have played tens or nines that way, but probably have checked them behind one street or another.

As Vital said people ranges are much narrower. People in these live games bet a lot more often with hands, with which they would check/call online. Therefore they have merged me a lot (without knowing it) with stuff like 3d pair, after which my hero calls with 4d pair failed That's one thing that I am going to do less!

I played in the Imperial Palace, Harrah's Flamingo and MGM till now. I am def going to play in the Bellagio, Venetian and Wynn.

@Nolan: Heineken tasted differently in Holland than in the States. I like it more in the States.

It will be Halloween soon. Does someone have good advice for a good club/pub to go out that night (remember that I and my friends are no high rollers)?