nl200 spot with nut flush draw and overs

Submitted by : lebowski

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$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, May 03, 06:30:25 ET 2010
Table Kajam III Real Money
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: dumbo2000 $75.00 USD
Seat 2: Hero $476.20 USD
Seat 3: Kysus $261.75 USD
Seat 5: zirniite $110.35 USD
Seat 6: Bosas2 $207.40 USD
zirniite posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
Bosas2 posts big blind [$2.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
dumbo2000 folds
Hero raises [$6.00 USD]
Kysus folds
zirniite folds
Bosas2 calls [$4.00 USD]

Flop (Pot : $13.00)

   
Bosas2 checks
Hero

cbet/fold if he raises only 4% (i.e. sets)?

cbet/fold wtf??

fyi you have the nuts, just ship it in somehow and give him as much of a chance of folding as possible.

On May 03 2010 11:46 traktor wrote: cbet/fold if he raises only 4% (i.e. sets)?

yea the problem with that is that this spot is like a c/raise magnet,which he could be aware of and I have a very decent equity against sets,combo draws,etc. Trouble is that if I shove over a raise and get called I'm never really ahead

On May 03 2010 11:52 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On May 03 2010 11:46 traktor wrote: cbet/fold if he raises only 4% (i.e. sets)? yea the problem with that is that this spot is like a c/raise magnet,which he could be aware of and I have a very decent equity against sets,combo draws,etc. Trouble is that if I shove over a raise and get called I'm never really ahead

I think you overestimate his awarnes.

You profit a lot if he raises and folds(even though it might not be often in his case), you are doing ok against sets and str8s and you have him almost dead if hi has a combo draw(hes obviously not gonna c/r fold it). So yeah you can get it in very good against him somentimes.

Also some basic stats would help greatly.

stove something really nitty like 45/sets/combo draws and see how ur doing, work from there I suppose?

He's either not c/ring often (cool, we can call and stack him if we hit and give up on everything else) or he's c/ring often and we can get the money in one way or another and either flip against his range or pick up a ton of dead money. Just figure out which scenario is more likely and go from there. You can't go with him as a tight mo-fo who still c/raises a ton (since tight mofo's can not c/r too often).

it doesnt make sense that youre afraid of getting c/r really often here but youre also afraid of sticking the money in. its gotta be one way or the other o_O.

On May 03 2010 12:25 DustySwedeDude wrote: He's either not c/ring often (cool, we can call and stack him if we hit and give up on everything else) or he's c/ring often and we can get the money in one way or another and either flip against his range or pick up a ton of dead money. Just figure out which scenario is more likely and go from there. You can't go with him as a tight mo-fo who still c/raises a ton (since tight mofo's can not c/r too often).

you are right and I now think calling vs a raise is best... my thought process was like,fuck it ,even he would know to (semi)bluff in such a spot,so I shipped and put it in vs a set
O_o
anyways,this is probably a dumb question/thread
at least I got there with the flush ^^

I really don't see what we can do here besides bet/call.

how on earth is this a difficult spot

assuming someone has a set before betting might be a leak

Idk I tend to make threads when I make dumb plays
apparently the threads seem to be of equal quality

On May 03 2010 15:34 TalentedTom wrote: how on earth is this a difficult spot

On May 03 2010 15:43 PoorUser wrote: assuming someone has a set before betting might be a leak

Also ill add, the fact that vilain is raising a cbe tonly 4% of the time MAKE IT A CBET !
when you dont fear to get raised you should be betting

yeah just cbet/call and get it in on good turns if he c/r's here very little and bet/3bet/get it in if he can c/r with worse draws and other random things sometimes

yea this is not a spot -,-

I dont get why you're so worried about him c/raising if he only does it 4%. What happens if you c behind and he donks? No reason at all for giving up betting lead with your hand. If you're so worried about getting c/raised here just bet 8-9 instead of 10-11 and his raise (if he makes one) will give you better odds in terms of stacking him with a flush.

And like pooruser said. If you question yourself in these obvious bet-spots it might be a good time to either go down in level, look at some vids to get back into shape or to just take a day or two off. If you're not questioning yourself (that much) atleast you got confirmation now that betting is the better alternative.

Also, Id like to make you aware that although 4% is a low number, its pretty ok if he c/c with all sets/two pair and and also 3bets TT+ pre since then his range is full with all kinds of crap.

thats like not opening 88 UTG because the button 3-bets 5% of the time, your worried about getting 3-bet by him... wtf?
your argument for not betting makes completley no sence

DOOD, just fold, when it says something like "are you sure you want to fold? you can check you dumbass" just click yes, PS software does not realize you already know he has a set, nice try by them to build the pot and get more rake, rigged obv.

ok since this thread doesn't seem to die,I'll stick around.

my worry was that this is a great spot to c/raise and that even such a guy would know that,but when he does it I wouldn't be too sure how to proceed because I could be leveling my self and he's just looking at his set and pressing the buttons,because he's nitty.
Dusty pointed that he is either c/raisng a lot or not so that's not something to be confused over,I agreed and even said that this is a dumb thread/question caused by the fact that I shipped the flop and got snap called by a set,in retrospect vs this guy I should have called the flop raise and not auto assume that he knows when to check raise flops etc etc

I know that this is a good cbet spot in general with AQcc guys,but thx anyways.
Btw, if we call a raise and hit an ace or a queen,I am assuming that we're calling the turn and folding a blank river vs given villain?

On May 04 2010 11:47 YouGoTGoT wrote: DOOD, just fold, when it says something like "are you sure you want to fold? you can check you dumbass" just click yes, PS software does not realize you already know he has a set, nice try by them to build the pot and get more rake, rigged obv.

aahh but I had missed the friendly atmosphere of the poker hand discussion forum,making a dumbish thread was totally worth it

I just shove so I don't get c/r'd.

On May 04 2010 13:18 TheHuHu3 wrote: I just shove so I don't get c/r'd.

HAHAHHA
This

well that would surely have better results than what I did

i'd get this in on full ring pretty readily. i dont' see how this could ever be a fold in 6m without some kinda godlike read. and even then fuck it. let's gambol.

limp raise preflop, overbet shove flop, say BOOM when you hit the river.

lebowski, you need to trust your read. If you know he will only c/r with a set then call flop and spike a flush. What would a A help on the turn if you "know" that he only c/r with a set?

But like everyone else says or hints, you need to be damn sure he has a set here on this board to be able to just call flop.

i pref call the cr > shove any turn over his bet

On May 03 2010 15:43 PoorUser wrote: assuming someone has a set before betting might be a leak

You took that straight out of my mouth

this topic is epicly lol