[25NL] Is this line too gutsy?

Submitted by : Grindhouse55

PokerStars Game #47270369556: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2010/07/25 20:07:35 ET
Table Crux II 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: yipyapsap ($25 in chips)
Seat 2: johan75a ($25.07 in chips)
Seat 3: piero666 ($0.92 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($25 in chips)
Seat 6: vacwang2010 ($48.85 in chips)
Seat 7: riskyplaces ($31.44 in chips)
Seat 8: dreamer-1464 ($52.64 in chips)
Seat 9: aristotelico ($16.84 in chips)
johan75a: posts small blind $0.10
piero666: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Hero: raises $0.50 to $0.75
vacwang2010: folds
riskyplaces: folds
dreamer-1464: calls $0.75
aristotelico: folds
yipyapsap: folds
johan75a: folds
piero666: folds

Flop (Pot : $1.85)

   
Hero: bets $1
dreamer-1464: calls $1

Turn (Pot : $3.85)

   
Hero: checks
dreamer-1464: bets $2
Hero: raises $4 to $6

10/6
2.6 af

adn you put him on a pp?

Why are you turning your amazing hand with showdown value into a bluff?

i'd rather c/c the turn if you think he's just trying to stab at the pot with something random, and then c/f the river because i feel this type of villain will probably not stab the river with something like 99 turning it into a bluff or value bet that thin.

you beat the hands youre trying to bluff out.

What should I put him on?
What's his calling range vs my re-raise?
My image doesn't represent a player who makes bluff lines, so I think I get a lot more respect when I do this.

At this point in the hand, without knowing any of the player's tendencies, I think I'm ahead. The only cards that can fall on the river in my favor are something that pairs the board, a K or Q. Why should I check/call turn and hope that a decent card comes, when it's more likely an ugly card will fall, and I'll be OOP against a guy who has aggression? If I check river, he will assume I have TT-KK and bet again, whether its a bluff or a made hand I'll likely fold.

If you're bluffing you need to be able to identify a hand that is better than yours that you can fold out. There aren't any here.

On July 25 2010 20:25 Nova442 wrote: If you're bluffing you need to be able to identify a hand that is better than yours that you can fold out. There aren't any here.

This isn't a bluff.

On July 25 2010 20:38 Grindhouse55 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 25 2010 20:25 Nova442 wrote: If you're bluffing you need to be able to identify a hand that is better than yours that you can fold out. There aren't any here. This isn't a bluff.

Wait... so you're checkraising for value? WTF? What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Getting value from mid pocket pairs, right? Cbetting flop then check/raising turn is ridiculously strong because it just makes like absolutely no sense. He's not going to put you on anything less than a strong ace here with this line. It's more likely he'll put you on a set or something and insta-fold his lesser hands while insta-shipping his nut hands.

Dude, if you think you're good here, the best thing you can do to get more value is just bet turn. So he folds his TT most of the time. Oh well, there's no real way you can get more value from hands like that OOP except perhaps check/calling turn.

Stop trying to do this weird stuff to get more value from lesser hands out of position. It sucks being OOP but that's why being IP is so strong, he can play his hand perfectly against yours on a board like this. Just bet turn and move on with life.

Also, if you think he's taking a small stab on turn after you check, then all you should do is call and hope maybe he fires another barrel on river (although I would seriously advocate c/f river if he fires again). He's not going to take a casual stab when checked to on the turn and then call your c/raise thinking you're full of shit lol.

I understand that you checked turn to get more value from lesser pocket pairs. Well, when he bets $2 that's him saying "That's what I'm willing to take a stab with" and you trying to force more from his stack with this check/raise is totally skewing your perceived hand strength in the eyes of the villain. Just take his $2 and be happy.

Ultimately though, this is why, if you think you're hand is still good here, you should bet turn because then you can set the price for him and he just may pay you a few extra dollars.

I it's not a bluff then it's for value and you have to ask what worse is calling. The answer to that is also nothing. That's why this play makes no sense.

On July 25 2010 21:22 Nova442 wrote: I it's not a bluff then it's for value and you have to ask what worse is calling. The answer to that is also nothing. That's why this play makes no sense.

Why can't he have SC's here?

[x] too gutsy

On July 25 2010 23:12 Grindhouse55 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 25 2010 21:22 Nova442 wrote: I it's not a bluff then it's for value and you have to ask what worse is calling. The answer to that is also nothing. That's why this play makes no sense. Why can't he have SC's here?

he can, just someone who is playing 10/6 is very unlikely to have it...

On July 25 2010 23:12 Grindhouse55 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 25 2010 21:22 Nova442 wrote: I it's not a bluff then it's for value and you have to ask what worse is calling. The answer to that is also nothing. That's why this play makes no sense. Why can't he have SC's here?

You realize that even SCs, which would be the BOTTOM of his calling or shoving range here, have pretty massive equity vs you right?

too much FPS OP, either barrel turn or c/f turn

Also, is there a rzn for your 2BB raise pf?

On July 26 2010 02:00 soberstone wrote: Also, is there a rzn for your 2BB raise pf?

Its 3bb.

too gutsy

yeap ur turning ur hand into a bluff
vs 10/6 ck/f