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Tensai176 Canada. Feb 06 2012 17:30. Posts 1018 | | |
So I occasionally play in the local 1/2 game and if it gets short handed we start to play dealer's choice, which can include Crazy Pineapple, NL Omaha with ocean cards etc.
So anyway, the game is pretty soft, I lost my first bi stacking off QQ which was probably a mistake, but I got it back by tripling up with AA. so I have around $450 (I'm in for $400), and I continue to play semi-tight, playing position, taking down pots and I'm winning more than I'm losing. Then this hand, I have AdKc2s in crazy pineapple post-flop.
Crazy Pineapple is a poker game where you're dealt three cards and you discard one, either pre-flop or post-flop. This time, it was post-flop. I'm in the sb, and it limps around to me, I complete, and bb checks. 4 way to the flop of; AsAhKh =DDD; I discard my 2s obviously, and lead for $8.
I get a call, and then the BU raises $25. I think now that he has probably a big ace, we are $300 effective, and if I put in a raise, I'm pretty sure he's able to fold. Also, I want to get the other guy in the pot as well so I flat. bb folds, and the turn comes the 8h. If he raised with an FD which I think is likely, even though I probably will never do it, he'd bet his flush. I think he's betting his entire range on the turn anyway, so I check probably thinking of check raising.
Surprisingly, he checks back, and the river is the 8d, so the board reads: AsAhKh8h8d.
My thoughts: very very unlikely he raised me on the flop with 88 since he's pretty tight. If i Value bet more than 1/3 of pot, he's folding A. Flush B. KK's full and only calling with an A. So if his calling range is only an A, then I figure out how much he's calling with an A.
So I shoved all-in, $300 into $50 or so. Got the call (he had A10) and now I'm up to ~$700 =D.
We start to play NL omaha, and I banked another ~$200 value betting QQ's full and another $200 v-betting JJ's full. I am really really bad at Omaha, and I'm pretty bad at NLHE as well. I'll explain my reasoning but I'm not defending what I did, I probably played really bad and the justification was all wrong. With that in mind we come to this hand. I have ~$1,200 and villian has about ~$520
CO limps, BU limps and I look down at AhKh2h5s, I complete, and bb checks.
Flop comes Ks8c4d.
I lead around $8 and bb raises me $35 folds to me.
Thought process: Villian is a really FPS player that talks a lot about poker even though he isn't very good. He's prone to lecturing people how to play their hands even though he doesn't abide by the same advice. He justifies all his plays with pseudo-poker knowledge and when he sucks out, he gloats talking about how he could do nothing there.
It's pretty dry, I'm thinking sets are in his range, unlikely KK cause I have a K and he's likely to raise pf so value range is like, all two pair 88 and 44. I think I can get him to fold all two pair and even 44 and maybe 88 if I rep KK.
Reason is I overbet pots on the flop/turn all night with top sets/boats and I've shown these hands. I have literally never bluffed in this game. This was my reasoning when I re-raised $105. I told myself that I had KK42 in my hand and tried really hard to believe it.
He tanked for a bit and made the call. Turn was a 4 which pairs the board and I think it's a semi-good card for me. He could have quads but if he has 88 or K4 or 84 which was his likely hand by calling my raise, he now beats no value-range, since 44 now has quads if he had 88; he's beating K4 or 84 but I think he knows I wouldn't raise those hands on the flop and if he had K4 or 84, then he's losing to KK and 88. so I bet around ~150 and he has around ~250 left. I think to myself at this point, if he calls, I'm shutting down. He tanks a bit and calls.
River is a 5d. Board: K8445 I should give up by this point. I see he has around ~250 left and the pot is around 500. I don't know what compelled me to shove in the last 250, but convincing myself that I had KK, and there was no way I would be bluffing because I never bluff, and he should know this, I shoved in the last 250.
I get snap called.
The players out of the hand were asking the villian if he had Quads, because they all knew I had KK's full which was nice I guess, at least some people thought I had KK's full.
He showed KQ88; for 8's full.
And then he gloated.
Saying how he had too good of a hand to give up or something like that. I still think he had a bluff-catcher but Kudos to him or w/e. I'm still a micro-stakes player so losing a $1,000 pot is a big milestone for me. I'm not sad, I'm not angry or frustrated, I'm just a little dazed, like did that just happen? I'll be back at that game with a new experience.
It was funny as I had thought me losing such a big pot would result from having the nuts against a super draw, or set-over-set, or getting sucked out really badly, but it came to me trying to bluff a guy off the third nuts. Which is better I guess, since I have a story to tell people now.
It was my fault, I said nice-hand, felt the tilt coming so I played a few more hands and then told them I was done for the night. I still ended up being up ~$390 and I told myself never try to bluff somebody off of a full house.
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yea not a good idea to get people of a full house, but you allready know that  |
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julep Australia. Feb 06 2012 18:29. Posts 1274 | | |
ive never played pineapple but AK2 seems like a raise |
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flounder44 United States. Feb 06 2012 18:29. Posts 916 | | |
tldr, someone wanna give me cliffnotes? |
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NewbSaibot United States. Feb 06 2012 18:40. Posts 4946 | | |
cliffs:
OP splashed around his fav live game and set a new record of $1200. Then he donked half of it off trying to make someone fold a full house. |
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OpWestAcct United States. Feb 06 2012 18:41. Posts 640 | | |
Gets into a pot with villain who has ~$500 ... Hero covers. Hero convinces himself that he has top set even though he knows he doesn't. Talks about how bad villain is and then decides to try to bluff villain off mid set after saying that he wouldn't bluff river if called on turn. Probably the most ridiculous story I've ever heard relating to live poker. Op... You're obviously just as bad - especially considering the only way you aquired the $1200 stack was by making aces full, queens full, and jacks full, and tripling up with AA. |
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Mariuslol Norway. Feb 06 2012 19:27. Posts 4742 | | |
I don't know the rules of the game, but your logic is flawed, terrible card to try get him off, on the turn, and on that brick on the river, I don't think he'll ever fold.
Feels really really fishy. |
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Tensai176 Canada. Feb 06 2012 19:30. Posts 1018 | | |
Yeah, i'm pretty bad but I think i'm better than this guy at least, we were playing 5 handed, and I four bet in the sb with AKs, and he tank folded KK in the sb + I'm still learning =) |
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OpWestAcct United States. Feb 06 2012 19:42. Posts 640 | | |
Did he show you KK? I bet 100% he didn't and that he told you that he did. |
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Tensai176 Canada. Feb 06 2012 20:03. Posts 1018 | | |
yeah He showed KK. I was gonna show him the Ah, but I showed him the Kh and he was tilted the rest of the night. Like I flipped over the Kh when I thought it was the Ah |
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player999 Brasil. Feb 06 2012 20:21. Posts 7978 | | |
| | On February 06 2012 17:29 julep wrote:
ive never played pineapple but AK2 seems like a raise |
I've played a lot and def ok to just complete/limp behind |
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I think his play is much less bad than yours and while I'd prefer another line there's a good chance I'd play it the same vs someone I knew wasn't used to omaha. |
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Tensai176 Canada. Feb 07 2012 03:54. Posts 1018 | | |
Going to learn PLO once I get a little better at NLHE =D. Still learning, but now I know not to pull these bluffs. |
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Hoolz_1907 United Kingdom. Feb 07 2012 16:37. Posts 2791 | | |
| | On February 07 2012 02:54 Tensai176 wrote:
Going to learn PLO once I get a little better at NLHE =D. Still learning, but now I know not to pull these bluffs. |
Just don't try to pull these bluffs against bad players would be my advice. Even good players will have a hard time folding this hand, in this specific case even more so since he holds a K himself which obviously decreases your chances for having KK. After 3betting him on a dry board like this I don't ever see a live player not having a set here so that turn is definitely a horrible card to try to get him off this perceived strong range imo. Anyway there are good books/vids out there that could help your live game as well. Glgl |
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awesome story! never quit poker |
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