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all these generalizations people make like you are doing here reek of fish


poker is ez just don't be a donk and win

squeezing at every opportunity at 200nl live is spewing too much...

It’s GOOD to occasionally raise 89s/Axs/K9s UTG

I don't agree about 89s and k9s utg in full ring? I have stopped raising stuff like that from utg in six max mainly because having a very strong range utg is a lot easier you are going to get dominated oop by guys who think KTo is a really good hand, I know you think you can get away from the hand but I still don't think it's good. If you are getting many multi way pots and deep stacks Axs can be good if they aren't very active pre. Even in that situation I would prob only raise Axs w a wheel card.

Don't play much holdem and no full ring but utg range in full ring has to be very tight I think even if the table is very fishy it's not easy playing oop against fish gotta keep it to hands with nut potential.

"Listen, here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then you are the sucker."

Are you Saibot from WC3 btw.?

On March 16 2012 03:25 djforever wrote: squeezing at every opportunity at 200nl live is spewing too much...

I agree with DJForever and I would like to add that cbetting 99% of the time is terrible as well. People just do not like folding on certain board types. It is much better to be smart about your cbets.

Here's some general advice.

( this is geared towards live poker fwiw, but most of it applies to online as well. )

You shouldn't have general rules for poker. There are a few, but those are mostly centered around things you shouldn't do that are huge mistakes. Like not playing weak hands from early position, don't limp with good aggressive players behind you etc.

Aside from a couple general mistakes you shouldn't be making, the rest of your play should 100% depend on your opponents. You find out how to play by what type of opponent they are and what mistakes they make.

For instance your squeezing idea. If you notice a player is scared money, or tight/folds to 3bets a lot and he opens, and a loose player who will call with a wide range of hands calls. This is a spot you should squeeze more often ( not too much though. You don't want them getting fed up and playing back unless you're picking up hands. )

But if your opponents are also aggressive, or like to call in position and like to make plays, are the type to get it in light. Type that refuse to get bullied. Then you shouldn't be squeezing this guy without a good hand. If he starts to show you respect then you adjust and start playing more aggressively towards him, and when he readjusts you readjust.


So that's the thing. Don't have a bunch of general rules, that isn't good poker. What you need to do is look at every individual player at the table, identify how they play and then determine how you want to exploit their play.

Someone really aggressive? Trap him
Someone really weak? Smash him
Someone call too much? Value bet the shit out of him.

etc..

General rules are nice and neat. They make you feel like you have a plan, but they lead to really weak poker play. General rules are probably a big proponent of the break even crowd of poker players. They're following rules so that it's hard to lose, but they're following rules so it's hard to win too.

Thx for the advice. I have definitely been playing on full auto-pilot. Not sure where that came from really, I just kinda started doing it after not playing in so long. Rusty I guess. That rulebook was the first thing I wrote up when I started playing again, just to remind myself not to be an ass at the table. Then I started depending on it.

I'm going to try to focus a lot harder tonight and see exactly how people are reacting to postflop action, and then basically do the opposite to exploit it.

I do have a few hand range questions. What kind of UTG/EP raising range do you like in super loose live games? If you ever limp, do you do it exploitably (22-88/56s+/A2s+)???

Good general rule of thumb would be hands you're comfortable playing when they hit. For example you can raise ATs UTG, if you're comfortable playing an AJ9Q2 board. You have a good feel for your opponents and you can get away cheaply when beat and get value when you're not. Don't overestimate your ability in this circumstance, because ego is a lot of peoples down fall. You might be better than everyone at the table, that doesn't mean you've got good enough reads on them to play ATs OOP against them profitably.

You should probably lean on the tight side until you get more of a feel of things

From UTG or UTG+1

Raise - AQ+, AJs, KQs 77+
Limp - Suited aces + big suited cards QJs/KJs/JTs & 22-66. This looks silly for an online players range, but the play is different live and limping EP isn't that bad because you hardly ever have anyone who will try to punish you for it. If you got a strong player to your left raising your limps though and not many players are calling him, then you're going to want to raise the better end of these and throw the rest of them away. If he's still getting lots of callers don't worry about it, because you're going to playing pots with weak fish you have dominated with your range.

Like I said though general rules aren't good. But if you need a general idea of where to start I think that ones not too bad ( I've never really given this type of advice before so I dunno. Also never really been a fullring player either until I started playing live a couple months back. )

Start adjust your range towards your opponents.

If you raise EP and its getting called by a ton of people, tighten up your range and raise bigger.

GL at the table

FWIW I might have to look over that last post to verify its not retarded tomorrow, because I'm sleep deprived and ate a pot cookie about 1.5 hours ago.


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