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zaragyemo   United States. Oct 21 2012 15:40. Posts 135
"Yesterday you had pain, right?
That was yesterday.
You faced it.
It’s gone.
It’s over.
You are a winner.
Why are you carrying it on to today in your memory?
Why?
Don’t you know the simple formula?
What was yesterday was yesterday.
It’s gone.
You faced it." - Yogi Bhajan

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Loco   Canada. Oct 21 2012 18:59. Posts 20967

"Yesterday you had pain, right?
That was like every day.
You felt it.
It’s still there.
It’s never gonna leave.
You are a need-machine.
Why are you carrying it on to today since birth?
Why?
Don’t you know the simple solution?
What started at birth will end at death.
It’s gonna follow you until the last day.
You'll never escape it." - Yogi Udoomed

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount 

zaragyemo   United States. Oct 21 2012 19:15. Posts 135


  On October 21 2012 14:40 zaragyemo wrote:
"Yesterday you had pain, right?
That was yesterday.
You faced it.
It’s gone.
It’s over.
You are a winner.
Why are you carrying it on to today in your memory?
Why?
Don’t you know the simple formula?
What was yesterday was yesterday.
It’s gone.
You faced it." - Yogi Bhajan




  On October 21 2012 17:59 Loco wrote:
"Yesterday you had pain, right?
That was like every day.
You felt it.
It’s still there.
It’s never gonna leave.
You are a need-machine.
Why are you carrying it on to today since birth?
Why?
Don’t you know the simple solution?
What started at birth will end at death.
It’s gonna follow you until the last day.
You'll never escape it." - Yogi Udoomed



Ok, I will entertain you. So it seems the only difference between these two is our belief and interpretation of it...so change them if you want to be happy or not change it if you like your suffering. Simple!

Consciousness doesn't start at birth, it just received a physical body and can not be destroyed at death, the physical body is transformed into fossils and such, however consciousness remains as always in its various forms. There is no beginning, and there is no end.

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Achoo   Canada. Oct 22 2012 02:41. Posts 1454

The four noble truths, well spoken my friend !

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dnagardi   Hungary. Oct 22 2012 06:07. Posts 1777

lol u made that loco? its good


Loco   Canada. Oct 22 2012 07:50. Posts 20967


  On October 21 2012 18:15 zaragyemo wrote:
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  On October 21 2012 17:59 Loco wrote:
"Yesterday you had pain, right?
That was like every day.
You felt it.
It’s still there.
It’s never gonna leave.
You are a need-machine.
Why are you carrying it on to today since birth?
Why?
Don’t you know the simple solution?
What started at birth will end at death.
It’s gonna follow you until the last day.
You'll never escape it." - Yogi Udoomed



Ok, I will entertain you. So it seems the only difference between these two is our belief and interpretation of it...so change them if you want to be happy or not change it if you like your suffering. Simple!

Consciousness doesn't start at birth, it just received a physical body and can not be destroyed at death, the physical body is transformed into fossils and such, however consciousness remains as always in its various forms. There is no beginning, and there is no end.


Consciousness does start at birth, since consciousness is a particular arrangement of energy that only exists in animals. The energy itself wasn't created, it has always existed in various different forms, but the consciousness, the particular arrangement leading to the experience that we have, was indeed "created". That's why we call it "procreation". And guess what, we aren't forced to participate in it!

Your individual consciousness (which is what people are attached to) will die, it is just the basic material that is eternal. And even if consciousness is not physical (which I agree) and it couldn't be destroyed by death, life would still be the same futile struggle filled with suffering. It doesn't paint a different picture. Human being is born, human being acquires self-consciousness (duality), human being suffers, human being does his best to escape the suffering. It's just a matter of being good at deluding oneself and keeping one's defense mechanisms solidly in place so as to be sure to remain as much as possible in bliss of ignorance. New Age teachings are good at accomplishing that.

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount 

zaragyemo   United States. Nov 12 2012 23:47. Posts 135

Tilopa's Mahamudra Instruction to Naropa in Twenty Eight Verses

Homage to the Eighty Four Mahasiddhas!
Homage to Mahamudra!
Homage to the Vajra Dakini!

Mahamudra cannot be taught. But most intelligent Naropa,
Since you have undergone rigorous austerity,
With forbearance in suffering and with devotion to your Guru,
Blessed One, take this secret instruction to heart.

Is space anywhere supported? Upon what does it rest?
Like space, Mahamudra is dependant upon nothing;
Relax and settle in the continuum of unalloyed purity,
And, your bonds loosening, release is certain.

Gazing intently into the empty sky, vision ceases;
Likewise, when mind gazes into mind itself,
The train of discursive and conceptual thought ends
And supreme enlightenment is gained.

Like the morning mist that dissolves into thin air,
Going nowhere but ceasing to be,
Waves of conceptualization, all the mind's creation, dissolve,
When you behold your mind's true nature.

Pure space has neither colour nor shape
And it cannot be stained either black or white;
So also, mind's essence is beyond both colour and shape
And it cannot be sullied by black or white deeds.

The darkness of a thousand aeons is powerless
To dim the crystal clarity of the sun's heart;
And likewise, aeons of samsara have no power
To veil the clear light of the mind's essence.

Although space has been designated "empty",
In reality it is inexpressible;
Although the nature of mind is called "clear light",
Its every ascription is baseless verbal fiction.

The mind's original nature is like space;
It pervades and embraces all things under the sun.
Be still and stay relaxed in genuine ease,
Be quiet and let sound reverberate as an echo,
Keep your mind silent and watch the ending of all worlds.

The body is essentially empty like the stem of a reed,
And the mind, like pure space, utterly transcends
the world of thought:
Relax into your intrinsic nature with neither abandon nor control -
Mind with no objective is Mahamudra -
And, with practice perfected, supreme enlightenment is gained.

The clear light of Mahamudra cannot be revealed
By the canonical scriptures or metaphysical treatises
Of the Mantravada, the Paramitas or the Tripitaka;
The clear light is veiled by concepts and ideals.

By harbouring rigid precepts the true samaya is impaired,
But with cessation of mental activity all fixed notions subside;
When the swell of the ocean is at one with its peaceful depths,
When mind never strays from indeterminate, non-conceptual truth,
The unbroken samaya is a lamp lit in spiritual darkness.

Free of intellectual conceits, disavowing dogmatic principles,
The truth of every school and scripture is revealed.
Absorbed in Mahamudra, you are free from the prison of samsara;
Poised in Mahamudra, guilt and negativity are consumed;
And as master of Mahamudra you are the light of the Doctrine.

The fool in his ignorance, disdaining Mahamudra,
Knows nothing but struggle in the flood of samsara.
Have compassion for those who suffer constant anxiety!
Sick of unrelenting pain and desiring release, adhere to a master,
For when his blessing touches your heart, the mind is liberated.

KYE HO! Listen with joy!
Investment in samsara is futile; it is the cause of every anxiety.
Since worldly involvement is pointless, seek the heart of reality!

In the transcending of mind's dualities is Supreme vision;
In a still and silent mind is Supreme Meditation;
In spontaneity is Supreme Activity;
And when all hopes and fears have died, the Goal is reached.

Beyond all mental images the mind is naturally clear:
Follow no path to follow the path of the Buddhas;
Employ no technique to gain supreme enlightenment.

KYE MA! Listen with sympathy!
With insight into your sorry worldly predicament,
Realising that nothing can last, that all is as dreamlike illusion,
Meaningless illusion provoking frustration and boredom,
Turn around and abandon your mundane pursuits.

Cut away involvement with your homeland and friends
And meditate alone in a forest or mountain retreat;
Exist there in a state of non-meditation
And attaining no-attainment, you attain Mahamudra.

A tree spreads its branches and puts forth leaves,
But when its root is cut its foliage withers;
So too, when the root of the mind is severed,
The branches of the tree of samsara die

A single lamp dispels the darkness of a thousand aeons;
Likewise, a single flash of the mind's clear light
Erases aeons of karmic conditioning and spiritual blindness.

KYE HO! Listen with joy!
The truth beyond mind cannot be grasped by any faculty of mind;
The meaning of non-action cannot be understood in compulsive activity;
To realise the meaning of non-action and beyond mind,
Cut the mind at its root and rest in naked awareness.

Allow the muddy waters of mental activity to clear;
Refrain from both positive and negative projection -
leave appearances alone:
The phenomenal world, without addition or subtraction, is Mahamudra.

The unborn omnipresent base dissolves your impulsions and delusions:
Do not be conceited or calculating but rest in the unborn essence
And let all conceptions of yourself and the universe melt away.

The highest vision opens every gate;
The highest meditation plumbs the infinite depths;
The highest activity is ungoverned yet decisive;
And the highest goal is ordinary being devoid of hope and fear.

At first your karma is like a river falling through a gorge;
In mid-course it flows like a gently meandering River Ganga;
And finally, as a river becomes one with the ocean,
It ends in consummation like the meeting of mother and son.

If the mind is dull and you are unable to practice these instructions,
Retaining essential breath and expelling the sap of awareness,
Practising fixed gazes - methods of focussing the mind,
Discipline yourself until the state of total awareness abides.

When serving a karmamudra, the pure awareness
of bliss and emptiness will arise:
Composed in a blessed union of insight and means,
Slowly send down, retain and draw back up the bodhichitta,
And conducting it to the source, saturate the entire body.
But only if lust and attachment are absent will that awareness arise.

Then gaining long-life and eternal youth, waxing like the moon,
Radiant and clear, with the strength of a lion,
You will quickly gain mundane power and supreme enlightenment.

May this pith instruction in Mahamudra
Remain in the hearts of fortunate beings.


 



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