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ynot   United States. Nov 03 2012 19:03. Posts 209
This game is suppose to be easy. I don't know why I have such a hard time beating it at my local casinos. I feel like I clearly have an advantage over almost anyone. There are times when I get put into a tough position and am not sure what to do but I feel like the game is supposed to be easier than this. The game formula to beat 1/2 seems simple enough:

1.) Value bet, value bet, value bet. This seems to be the key fundamental to the game. Most individuals who play do not know how to let go of sub par hands. They will call down with any draw and bet their whole stack on top pair top kicker. Seems easy enough, at 1/2, when you have the strong hands, value bet. You will get paid off.

2.) Don't bluff too often. Reason is simple, people at the table don't know when to let go of sub par hands making it very hard to bluff someone who doesn't know how to fold. If you against someone you think is capable of a fold in a certain position, then go ahead but more often then not, it's abc poker.

3.) Be in position! This is almost more important than value betting. In most cases at 1/2 you have extreme implied odds. People will stack off with marginal hands and will chase any bet amount to hit their gut shot, flush, or open ended straight. Best thing, be in position to these situations. When you have a nice hand, it's the perfect spot for a nice re-raise. Weaker players will give off a lot of information by basically, not doing anything. A lot of 1/2'ers like to check an awful lot leaving a lot of dead money in the pot. The game is just so much easier to make decisions in when you are in position.

4.) Don't slow play. You usually are not up against someone who can diagnose a hand properly and understand what a strong check-raise means. It's a pretty basic concept with 1/2. When you flop the nuts, or a strong hand. Value bet it. you will get called more often then not. (villain depending)

5.) Play ABC poker. There is no point in trying anything fancy or sneaky because the average villain won't even recognize it, making it feel a little pointless. Just be patient, wait for position and play to the villain. People at this game do not generally change their play style according to the type of table so just understand the type of villains and play accordingly.

These basic 5 ideas are very generic and don't hold a lot of substance but ask anyone on how they beat 1/2 and this will be in the ball park for what they say. I have been looking over forums here and there trying to see anyone else has brought a different concept to beating 1/2 and haven't found much. In fact, I have found more sources indicating the same beliefs as me. This was a comment by someone that hit home for me.

"there is a lot of good info in this thread and if u stick to most of the tips you ll be in good shape. imo there a couple of tips that have worked really well for me, get use to 2-5 hours of dead cards, don t lower ur playing style to match the other players. don t fall in love w/ tp tk when the bets and calls SCREAM flush/str8 draws, or 2 pair etc... play pos when the situation is +EV, don t let the reg s see u make the same 3xbb raise on the btn etc..... most importantly do not play the way the table is playing (loose, gambiling) just TAG it up and it will fattin up ur BR. but trust me when i say do not lower ur open/calling range because the 3 villians have been winning huge pots w/ weak holdings all night long. fwiw" -BlueBoy44 (pocketfives.com)

This statement was something that I have encountered an awful lot. There are times when I feel like opening up my range just to be able to play with the loose players post flop where I feel I could instill a bit of better play vs them. But I am often wrong in making this choice and haven't found it pay off as a right decision. Play tight, understand your going to be card dead for some time.

I would say the most frustrating this is finding a strong hand and having to let it go after being card dead for hours. Here is an example from the other day.

Hero (275$) Button with two red Kings.

2 limps in early position, 2 limps in late position from villains 1 and 2. Villain 1 new loose player at the table with about 600$ and Villain 2 with about 100$ on a downswing from losing most of his buy in to villain 1.

I do not allow limps and with villain 1 being quite the limp caller playing almost every hand I decided to raise a bit more than normal. My image if it even mattered, was fairly tight. I haven't gotten out of hand playing pretty safe folding a couple hands to villain one when I felt I was beat and with villain 1 showing to confirm my correct decision, I am playing so-so.

I bet 25$. A bit much but I was sure villain 1 would call. However, all four players call.. wtf.

Flop: 2,7,7 rainbow. Two checks from early position and villain 1 leads for 25$. Villain 2 instantly shoves his remaining stack. I wasn't sure what to make of this. Villain 1 has been leading into the initial raiser when he has strong hands and with a shove from the small stack the decision was to shove or call. I didn't feel like folding here. I have went a couple hours without even seeing a marginal hand and I am a newby and didn't want to let this one go. I should have flatted but I decided to min re-raise villain 2's shove. Two player in early position fold and villain 1 flats. Turn is Jc. Making the board a complete rainbow and villain 1 leads out with my remaining stack. I call to see villain show 6,7. Villain 2 had 10,10. River was blank and I lose.

Story of my life.

All in all I just wanted to share this and show some frustration. I need a higher level of discipline and really need to start playing by the examples I see the villains show me.

Anyways, this was my rant. I hope everyone is having a great day and since I don't feel like typing anymore and want to watch MLG Dallas. Have a good night! :DD

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traxamillion   United States. Nov 03 2012 19:32. Posts 10468

Poker is poker no matter the stake or game just make +ev decisions and win money.


Making all these generalizations is just fish thought


Sounds like you aren't as good as you think you are tbh.

That minraise is bad just call


ynot   United States. Nov 03 2012 19:58. Posts 209

That's what I am saying. The hand i decided to share was riddled with bad mistakes. That's what happens to me after constant nothing. I am not so good but I do my best to analyze the table, the types of villains at it and find ways to extract the most amount of value. Then i will go ahead and just piss away everything in one situation that wasn't thought through entirely. I am still learning and have a long way to go but i do try to stop, think, and make the best decision possible, just not all the time. :-p

Those 5 basic concepts that i showed are what they are, basic concepts. The most basic of fundamentals when playing 1/2. to be adjusted and changed according to situation you are presented with. I just wanted to share a generalized view.

I am struggling at 1/2, I am clearly not a good player yet. :-p

 Last edit: 03/11/2012 20:01

bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Nov 03 2012 20:58. Posts 8648

dunno how many hours you've logged but always important to remember that variance is huge in poker, even if it is live 1/2.

in a way i agree w/trax that making generalizations like that in poker is 'fish thought' but i don't think there's a problem with using them as general guidelines for now, esp as a reference point for spots where you feel lost. just keep in mind you want to be working towards evaluating each situation objectively and maxing teh EV.

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ynot   United States. Nov 03 2012 21:14. Posts 209

I haven't logged too many hours at my local casinos. I would I would have conveyed that I don't simply think that if I follow these things the game should be easy. I have a lot of help working on multitude of things. I don't play my live 1/2 game by going by those things, they are just common folklore you will find when looking up 1/2. When I go to the casino I bring my handy dandy notebook and write down every spot I thought was a confusing play for me as well as write down the current status of the table during small breaks I take to help me visually understand what I am dealing with. (i'm weird and that helps me) I work hard trying to understand my opponents hand ranges and understanding different lines he takes in different situations. Although I am probably a fish, I like to think i'm actively taking steps in the right direction to not be one.


bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Nov 03 2012 22:36. Posts 8648

that doesn't sound weird at all, it sounds like it's probably a good idea. post some hands you write down and just take your time before making big decisions, i'm sure you'll be a winner there in no time (if you're not already and just eating some variance).

Truck-Crash Life 

traxamillion   United States. Nov 03 2012 22:57. Posts 10468

Sounds like you are trying. If you have any way to put in volume online that is basically the fastest way to learn


Mariuslol   Norway. Nov 04 2012 10:12. Posts 4742

Not read replies, but I don't think you're as good as you think.

The recipes you write is all good and fine if you're a beginner, newb etc. You'll do a lot better following something like that.

But Poker doesn't quite work that way. I also, like a lot of people think I'm good at 1-1 and 1-2 live, and I'm having a blast playing it.

But I don't follow those thingys. There's always a way to win money, and it's more about picking your spot. Starting out tight then adjusting I feel is right way to go in live games. You could nit it up and valuebet, but ur giving up a ton of spots.

I feel it's a lot more about picking your spots.

Also think it's better to generalize in a different way, putting people on being a donkey (reckless aggro, play to many hands), to Fishes, weak tight, to nits, tags and lags. That really helps your intuition, and the more you know about poker, the better you are. The more you've played (so your recognition of the spots will be better). The more you can extract money from the different types. So you're not just collecting value from Loose Passive Fishes, but you're "looking for spots".

And you don't classify yourself as TAG (Most people who do are Weak tight at those stakes anyway), but you want to know who you nit it up vs, who you lag it up vs, who you play tag vs.

If you just generalize and "ok they all fishes", doesn't really say much. But if you have a guy, you see him donking out all the time, and keep betting.

Pretty shitty if we open a hand OOP, and we lead into him, more value c/c down vs him.

Vs the nits, tags, we can change our range and play good implied odds hands. So forth, u know the drill.


Mariuslol   Norway. Nov 04 2012 10:19. Posts 4742


You might like this. Almost a year ago since I last played Live Poker, 1-2 in London. But what I liked to do during breaks, dinner. Was write extensive notes, reads on all the players I had at the table. And I'd scribble down.

I looked through some of my papers and I found some of the notes. This is me analyzing one of the players to my right.


Chinese Girl (leaks and tells)

* Frequently checks her holecards when on a flush draw.

* Starts a low humming when she has a nut-type hand. Four times when she had the nuts she started singing to herself in a really low voice.

* Starts loosening up her preflop range more and more, the more pots she wins.

* Stern/focused look when on draws (no humming or singing).

* Some betsize tells, the size of the bet reflects the strength of her hand.

* Clueless about cominatorics, can't tell how strong a hand is on the flop.

* Calls a bit without odds to call

* Called 36BB pre with 88, hoping to spike.

* After losing a few pots, rr shoved 55BB with 22, and showed

* At times with good hands, when she doesn't like the turn or river, she overbets pot, quickly, like she wasnt the hand to end. Thinking that betting a lot fast will just make them fold.

* Acts fast with strong hands


Not saying any of this is needed lol, just doing it since it's fun xD

 Last edit: 04/11/2012 10:22

NewbSaibot   United States. Nov 04 2012 11:51. Posts 4946

It's just volume yo. One month of online play = one year of live play. So a few weeks of runbad is like a daily afternoon cooler online. Just keep rationalizing it like that and it wont feel so bad.

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Gumster   Sweden. Nov 05 2012 06:34. Posts 2291

there's simply a lot of variance when it comes to live poker. even playing online you may breakeven over a sample size of 30k (or even 100k+). such an amount of hands may be played in a month for some people online, but playing you will never reach these amounts of hands. even though you probably have a much bigger winrate/edge, the variance is just harder to deal with live since it can potentially take a longer time for it to even out. 1/2 live like you say can be beat knowing some very basic fundamentals, though it's really the variance (ie tilt control) and keeping a high winrate that are the real difficulties. keep a big bankroll and just hope it turns your way soon

Do not push the river, it will flow by itself. - Polish proverb 

 



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