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PoorUser United States. Jan 15 2013 20:01. Posts 7472 | | |
im having an argument with a friend. in poker, what does in a vacuum mean
does in a vacuum mean over infinity hands x play is ideal
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does in a vacuum mean in this specific hand
not trolling --
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lebowski Greece. Jan 15 2013 20:08. Posts 9205 | | |
doesn't it mean "by default"?
edit: I mean "without specific info" |
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MiPwnYa Brasil. Jan 15 2013 20:13. Posts 5230 | | |
I think it means
in this specific spot without considering our overall strategy or balance at all |
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bigredhoss Cook Islands. Jan 15 2013 20:19. Posts 8649 | | |
yeah i've always used it as meaning "in this hand, your default play without taking any extraneous variables into account should be x"/"in a vacuum, you should do x".
i don't think either of the examples are precise definitions of the phrase =o |
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DooMeR United States. Jan 15 2013 20:27. Posts 8562 | | |
the simplest way to express it would be. no outside factors influencing the decision.
definitely doesn't mean over infinity hands x play is ideal UNLESS we mean to say that cbetting K73r board against a fish is the best play "in a vacuum".
the difference here being the same play always or the same play whenever there is a fresh slate or something not interfering with how that person will react to the hand.
so context matters here.
and obviously in a vacuum could mean a specific hand. depending on context either can be right |
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player999 Brasil. Jan 15 2013 20:28. Posts 7978 | | |
over infinity hands x play is ideal |
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PoorUser United States. Jan 15 2013 20:30. Posts 7472 | | |
yeah just for clarification when i said 'ideal' i really meant without knowing anything special to tell you otherwise [which i consider to be the same thing as what should be ideal] |
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mnj United States. Jan 15 2013 20:41. Posts 3848 | | |
thought it meant your vanilla, bread and butter line, with no reads. |
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mnj United States. Jan 15 2013 20:42. Posts 3848 | | |
was so excited about a pu blog  |
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eestwood United Kingdom. Jan 15 2013 20:58. Posts 702 | | |
imo its "optimal strategy for specific spot/ situation" without adjusting to player specific stuff (reads / gameflow / image / etc) |
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NewbSaibot United States. Jan 15 2013 21:16. Posts 4946 | | |
the word itself is kinda self-explanatory, vacuum = absence of something, deprivation. Vacuum of information, i.e. very first hand vs a total unknown player going allin preflop with AJ is a leak. |
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whaackum United States. Jan 15 2013 21:19. Posts 1586 | | |
| On January 15 2013 19:42 mnj wrote:
was so excited about a pu blog |
same here...
Thinks it means something along the lines of "having no influence from outside variables"
I guess over infinity hands the in a vacuum play should always be right? and in one specific hand the in a vacuum play might not be right because of all the variables.
Not sure if it helps but glgl |
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Mariuslol Norway. Jan 15 2013 21:35. Posts 4742 | | |
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Mariuslol Norway. Jan 15 2013 21:35. Posts 4742 | | |
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bigredhoss Cook Islands. Jan 15 2013 21:38. Posts 8649 | | |
| On January 15 2013 19:30 PoorUser wrote:
yeah just for clarification when i said 'ideal' i really meant without knowing anything special to tell you otherwise [which i consider to be the same thing as what should be ideal] |
i think the key point is the explicit preclusion of other factors, not the number of hands. |
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wobbly_au Australia. Jan 15 2013 21:48. Posts 6540 | | |
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Bigbobm United States. Jan 15 2013 23:46. Posts 5512 | | |
| On January 15 2013 20:48 wobbly_au wrote:
in this exact situation. |
i read it as this. |
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Mariuslol Norway. Jan 16 2013 00:37. Posts 4742 | | |
Me to, me to, but I think I have specific instead of exact. Just to be different. |
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goose58 United States. Jan 16 2013 02:33. Posts 871 | | |
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