I'm actually thinking of quitting

bad variance live can feel like ur getting punished harder then u are, when u actually are just on a 10k hand downswing

u can run terrible online over 400k hands with lower winrates, so 10, 20, 30k hands of really bad variance live with a higher winrate can obviously happen.

no dont quit never give up

you INTJ?

http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp

The funny part is live is way slower then online (duh), meaning it can last for months, welcome to variance...

On October 26 2013 04:10 ktp wrote: you INTJ? http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp

INTP



I forget where I found this, but you take what you get from the human metrics site and put in that for this yellow site.

The thing about losing with premiums/monsters so many times is the other players start to play back at you and start raising you all in when you try to isolate them. They even do it as a joke with 72o. Like, busting your balls.

I don't know if poker is for you man. Seems to be killing you emotionally.

On October 26 2013 04:10 ktp wrote: you INTJ? http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp

ban

On October 26 2013 03:35 longple wrote: bad variance live can feel like ur getting punished harder then u are, when u actually are just on a 10k hand downswing u can run terrible online over 400k hands with lower winrates, so 10, 20, 30k hands of really bad variance live with a higher winrate can obviously happen.

10k hands live, like 20 years downswinging ?

You simply underestimate how variance heavy this game is. I used to always have this self-righteous expectation of winning whenever I was a favorite. AA vs KK allin preflop you say? Why thats 80% to win, might as well be 100%. WHAT THE FUCK HOW DID I LOSE?

You need to really lower your expectations and recognize just how long haul this game really is. Take someone you respect, and look at their graph's. Even if at a glance it looks like a mountain to the top, focus on the downward spikes. You will often see 10k hands or more where they basically lost everything they had earned and were right back to where they were a week ago, or even a month ago. Now imagine you were that person, and how it would feel to grind up 20k and then be all the way back to 5k in profit after 3 weeks, right where you started at on day 5. There's one telltale characteristic of it all though, it always goes back up.

So be honest with yourself and make sure you dont simply suck at the game. If you truly think you are a winning player, or at least have the potential to be, keep grinding and recognize that IT IS A GRIIIIIINNNNNDDD. I see live players at my table who just never change, NEVER. They still call raises with Q8o like they did 3 years ago. Literally nothing whatsoever has changed about their game. Try not to be like them.

I complain and bitch a little here and there in the game to have them think I'm on tilt, but I actually tilted last night. Mostly because my body was heating up to kill bacteria or whatever. I try not to think of whether or not I'm a good player cause I think that feeds into my paranoia. But yeah, the game is a fucking grind. Some of the players I play with the some are retired high stakes players and they tell me some of the times they went through red weeks/months like crazy.

I also don't have that feeling that I should win, even though statistically, I should win, which is why I make the play. I have a feeling I should lose, lol. I always expect it. Does anyone else get that? When you're far ahead, but they can still come back, and you can't keep calm until the river's been dealt, but when you're bluffing, you're cool as ice? I mean, if you're bluffing, push them all-in, and it's not a snap call, it's smooth sailing.

Still, though, they have years of experience on me, years of experience variance. This is my first time experiencing variance live for a couple weeks straight. Eventually, I'll have only calluses and won't be able to feel the burn, just like them.

This is the nature of poker. What you are describing IS the "game". Yea your fingers are just clicking buttons but the game goes on in your head, and if you can't conquer your own feelings and thoughts then you lose the mental game. The best poker players experience what you experience but don't give a shit and laugh and carry on making the most EV decisions.

On October 26 2013 08:16 K40Cheddar wrote: I don't know if poker is for you man. Seems to be killing you emotionally.

Judging from your posts it seems you would be far better off doing something else... Either that or learn to deal with the variance like everyone else does

Stop and evaluate

On October 26 2013 13:14 Gnarly wrote: I also don't have that feeling that I should win, even though statistically, I should win, which is why I make the play. I have a feeling I should lose, lol. I always expect it. Does anyone else get that? When you're far ahead, but they can still come back, and you can't keep calm until the river's been dealt, but when you're bluffing, you're cool as ice? I mean, if you're bluffing, push them all-in, and it's not a snap call, it's smooth sailing. Still, though, they have years of experience on me, years of experience variance. This is my first time experiencing variance live for a couple weeks straight. Eventually, I'll have only calluses and won't be able to feel the burn, just like them.

Everyone has been there. I still remember a quote from daniel negreanu where by simply says "if you start asking yourself every hand how am I going to lose this time?" then it's time to take a break. Take one for as long as it takes. The mental state this puts you will be subpar no matter how strictly you play.

Do you have a stoploss? If so, what is it?

Two buy ins no matter what. It's all I take with me. I was nicely up the first few days then I just kept busting out to bigger boats or flushes or whatever. I analyze all the big pots the day after and it's usually variance.

Ok well thats a good stoploss for a habitual tilt monkey. How long do you wait between sessions? Are you playing every single day? Do you ever take breaks when you lose badly?

I haven't read the responses but I will just say that if you are not absolutely crushing the game your playing, then the variance is unbearable. The good news is that their is a lot to improve on, blaming any results on luck while grinding nl4 is just ludicrous because no matter how much bad luck you face, your skill should overcome even the worst of runs.

On October 26 2013 22:47 NewbSaibot wrote: Ok well thats a good stoploss for a habitual tilt monkey. How long do you wait between sessions? Are you playing every single day? Do you ever take breaks when you lose badly?

>habit. tilt monkey

Only because I misguide you. I either player every day of the week or I'll take a day between sessions. If I lose badly, I usually take a break and analyze some of the big pots, go over some stuff I've written out and make sure that if I played the way I want to play, chop it up to variance. If I play bad, I recognize it and look at the player and myself and all the different variables. Not only that, but if the player is decent enough to remember busting me, use that as a trap.