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nolan Ireland. Jan 31 2014 09:48. Posts 6205 | | |
Hello LP,
Not poker related at all, but the Knox guilty verdict is of interest to me, and maybe you. Didn't think it was worth it's own thread.
I've been following this case casually since the beginning pretty much, and I think it's a lot more interesting than many people may realize at first. I won't be talking as much about the case specifically here, but if you are interested at all (warning: huge time sink potential) then there's a guy on 2p2 who's pretty well known that lays out a lot of the case from a pro-guilt perspective in this thread. He gets into a pretty long winded debate with a guy named "239", and although he generally sticks to discussing case specifics, at one point Henry and a few other people sort of snapped and accused him of astroturfing.
Astroturfing?
Yeah, I had never heard of this concept before. Doing some digging I came across the basic definition of the term and also discovered that the Knox family had hired one of the most expensive PR firms in the west coast.
From there, I came across blogs/posts/etc. where people claim to have been paid by the PR firm to turn over their social media accounts on most of the top 100 visited online forums (boybuilding.com, 2p2, reddit, etc. etc). It appears to be a new tactic where people try to buy relatively (1 year+) old social media accounts solely for the purpose of expressing biased opinions, or in the case of sites like Reddit perhaps to manipulate the voting system so certain things don't appear on the front pages.
After the guilty verdict, this thread on reddit seems to have took off. I couldn't help thinking there may be heavy astroturfing going on simply based on the numerous ludicrous opinions being shared that extraditing Knox would be a violation of the constitution, and constant references to Double Jeopardy when there was never a 2nd trial - not to mention that Knox was found guilty initially before the judge forced what is effectively a retrial. (I don't want to get into the specifics of the Italian justice system here, but essentially a guilty verdict isn't 100% final, and although Knox was found guilty, a judge ruled that the jury came to that conclusion incorrectly and so there was more or less a forced retrial)
Anyways, I must admit my own bias in that I initially was of the opinion Knox was likely innocent, however as I read more and more non-U.S. sources my opinion began to sway. In the end I think she did play some hand in the murder but should not be found guilty due to a lack of real evidence.
All that being said, I think there is clear evidence of an organized PR campaign being run through social media and internet forums attempting to sway the general U.S. public into feeling as though Knox being extradited or imprisoned would be a gross miscarriage of justice, probably in hopes that the U.S. gov't will be swayed in the same direction. At the very least, I think it's fair to say that the current general perception of the case would make the U.S. extraditing Knox a PR failure on their end, and probably something that is met with huge backlash stateside.
The whole concept of Astroturfing and social media manipulation as it is alleged to have occurred here is pretty wild. The practice is a little unsettling but if there is an astroturfing campaign among major media outlets, it appears to be a success.
Pretty rambly here, but I had nowhere else to put any of my thoughts on this. As I said I've really only done casual research into the whole thing but I'm always open to other peoples opinions or thoughts on social media manipulation in high profile criminal cases.
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Highcard Canada. Jan 31 2014 11:58. Posts 5428 | | |
unless I was astroturfed, your reading has missed a big part of this case.
The prosecutor Magini or w/e the fuck, has gone years on a spree of accusing people to be part of some sort of satanic murder cult. To the point that he accuses anyone who opposes him to being in the murder cult *eg. politicians/journalists * and then has them searched/detained/surveillanced. Eventually he was found guilty of abusing his power and pushing these ludicrous ideas on any and everyone,but never served any jail time.
Is this the same prosecutor that was on the case now that she was found guilty? I have no idea because I don't give enough fucks.
What I do know is Italy is far from a competent country, and is as close to 2nd/3rd world as it comes for corruptions/quality of law. The stupid fucks threw Scientists in jail for manslaughter because they "did not predict the future on earthquakes" and people died -- Absurd. I have zero respect for the judicial system in Italy.
Enlight of that, I refuse to pay more attention to what amanda knox has done/did/is doing because no matter what spin or shit angle people go after, the hard, fact, truth is Italy is a fucking judicial disgrace. |
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Majority of Americans probably think shes innocent anyways |
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whats the point in being a foxy knoxy white girl if u cant even get away with murder wtf
i never paid any attention to this but maybe ill read a bit about it now that it peaked nolans interest |
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flounder44 United States. Feb 01 2014 03:23. Posts 916 | | | |
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i'd love to fuck that freak |
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Joe Czech Republic. Feb 01 2014 19:26. Posts 5987 | | |
Why is this case so high-profile? It even earned a small article in czech online news and it doesnt seem to be anything special. |
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milkman United States. Feb 02 2014 00:52. Posts 5719 | | |
I think if there was "Astroturfing" it wouldnt be on 2p2, obv in the poker world it seems like a large populous, but on the whole, no one wants to listen to poker players and i think their social footprint is tiny. Itd be better to throw a republican or liberal spin on a part of the story and plaster it all over FB.
Still seems to me like itd be cheaper to buy someone at CNN, Fox News, ect.. the more traditional methods |
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nolan Ireland. Feb 02 2014 02:19. Posts 6205 | | |
| | On February 01 2014 23:52 milkman wrote:
I think if there was "Astroturfing" it wouldnt be on 2p2, obv in the poker world it seems like a large populous, but on the whole, no one wants to listen to poker players and i think their social footprint is tiny. Itd be better to throw a republican or liberal spin on a part of the story and plaster it all over FB.
Still seems to me like itd be cheaper to buy someone at CNN, Fox News, ect.. the more traditional methods |
surprisingly, 2p2 is one of the top 100 highest traffic internet forums.
the theory holds that they targeted all of the top 100 |
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milkman United States. Feb 02 2014 12:32. Posts 5719 | | |
| | On February 02 2014 01:19 nolan wrote:
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On February 01 2014 23:52 milkman wrote:
I think if there was "Astroturfing" it wouldnt be on 2p2, obv in the poker world it seems like a large populous, but on the whole, no one wants to listen to poker players and i think their social footprint is tiny. Itd be better to throw a republican or liberal spin on a part of the story and plaster it all over FB.
Still seems to me like itd be cheaper to buy someone at CNN, Fox News, ect.. the more traditional methods |
surprisingly, 2p2 is one of the top 100 highest traffic internet forums.
the theory holds that they targeted all of the top 100
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Sure it may be in the highest 100, but i dont think the people that go there are typically the most social of the internets.
I did read up on this story more, its kinda crazy how its only popular because shes attractive. |
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