Daut   United States. Mar 17 2014 03:44. Posts 8955
I took my first BJJ lessons in the summer of 2008 with nazgul, mig, ket, tjbentham and a few other poker players. We only did 2 or 3 sessions but I really enjoyed it and decided to keep up with the sport after I left vegas. From that summer til probably about 6 months ago I continued training but at a very irregular pace. I would go 10x one month, suffer a small injury, take a few weeks off, then start traveling and somehow miss 8 months. Since then I have lived in new jersey, arizona, california, vancouver canada and spent a lot of time in vegas so it was hard to really get into a rhythm training wise. I would estimate over the 5 year period from september 2008 - september 2013 I probably only took about 200 classes. And since I took so many breaks and had so many months where id show up only 2-3x, I wasnt really getting any better. But the good thing was that I never really regressed.
A few months back I realized that where i live (southern california, specifically irvine in orange county) is basically the mecca for BJJ in the world. Most of the top guys are here and there are tons of great schools everywhere. I dont know how long I will be in california and I am not on the road as much as I once was so why not concentrate and try to put a lot of time and effort into the sport as I can while im in the best place in the world to study it? Especially since I have all the free time Id ever want. So I decided that any week where I was healthy id go in as much as I can.
this past week i finally got to put away my white belt for good.
Blue belt is probably the belt with the largest skill disparities between top to bottom (ignoring complete novice white belts). Some schools promote guys to blue belt super fast. For example, when I was up in vancouver I took a few classes at gracie barra vancouver, and they like to start guys out with quick promotions, so most people get their blue belt after 80 classes in order to keep newer practitioners excited about the sport. Consequently, when I was a 3 stripe white belt I was about equal to most of the 1 stripe blue belts there. Whereas some other schools refuse to promote and try to get their guys to world champion levels before giving them the next belt (mega sandbaggers)
Additionally, blue belt is by far the longest belt. Nobody gets a purple in less than 2 years and most guys need more than 3. So even though I am starting out a higher skill level than most new blue belts, there are 4 stripe blue belts who have 2-3 extra years experience on me and are much better. So now that I am starting to take it more seriously, there is still a large roadblock to competing at the blue belt level.
this week was the Pan American Championships, one of the bigger jiu jitsu gi tournaments in the world, and it was basically down the street from me. I had 3 teammates (one blue, 2 purple) and my professor (black) competing this year so I went out for the last 3 days and had a blast. My professor finished 3rd in the lightweight (168 and under) 29-34 year old black belt division which was pretty awesome to watch and the 2 purple belts did pretty well.
Even watching a teammate lose in the first round was a blast. So next year I am going to compete. The pan ams is the perfect tournament to do it. I am 29 right now (turning 30 next month) so ill be in a division with only 29-34 year olds, which means I likely wont be going up against some beast future world champion or ex college wrestler that just switched to BJJ and ill have a full year of blue belt to catch up in skill to the more advanced blues (and the top guys will be purple by then). Also its a big tournament so even though its a pretty small subdivision of the sport (29-34 year old, 169-181 pound blue belts) it still got 29 competitors this year.
Ill probably do a few smaller tournaments beforehand just to get the nerves of competing out of the way and to practice really going at full speed against someone of a similar skill level, but this will be the first tournament I really care about. 12 months to prepare, starting off the training right:
some pictures and videos of the guys from my academy:
round 1 match of my teammate jimmy (bearded guy), he ended up making it to the 3rd round/quarterfinals of the 29-34 168 pound purple division: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10106134351896514
round 2 match of my teammate chris, tough match against a guy whose strategy throughout was to get a sweep then basically stall out and it got him to at least a top 3 finish: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10106136535775004
a few pictures:
my professor is 2nd from the right:
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k4ir0s   Canada. Mar 17 2014 04:23. Posts 3478
On March 17 2014 02:44 Daut wrote:
why not concentrate and try to put a lot of time and effort into the sport as I can while im in the best place in the world to study it?
I'm basically going to do the same thing; moving to Montreal soon, so I figure why not try some mma at tristar, considering it's a top gym
On March 17 2014 02:44 Daut wrote:
So next year I am going to compete. The pan ams is the perfect tournament to do it. I am 29 right now (turning 30 next month) so ill be in a division with only 29-34 year olds,
It's always nice to see someone starting a sport in there mid 20s, and competing a few years later. I always thought it was too late at that age, considering how many people start the sport young
I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -Oly
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Joeingram1   United States. Mar 17 2014 06:38. Posts 943
Good blog ryan
I think its awesome that your going to give it more of a serious go at it. I know you mentioned it was something you were very interested up in Van but that you really didn't give a serious push with it at any one point in time. I think as we get older (i'm about 1 year younger than you) it becomes harder for most people to decide to really invest in starting to learn a new skill, hobby, sport or anything of that nature. I've actually been doing the same thing with basketball these past 5 months, I have the blog written but still haven't posted as its ongoing each day.
I look forward to following along with the journey and hope that you can shake off the inevitable injuries and random body pain that comes with it
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Bigbobm   United States. Mar 17 2014 07:45. Posts 5511
you among others actually inspired me to pick up BJJ back in August of last year. i've been able to compete a bit, but there haven't been huge turnouts for whatever reason, so as a 145 white belt im rolling against blue belts or 185 guys no gi. either way, still owe you a huge thanks for answering some of my bjj questions a while back that peaked my interest enough to get me to try.
sounds like you are in a great place to learn though. lot of talent, and a big pool are both great catalysts for learning. love how the judges wear straight up suits in the matches.
Its time to stop thinking like a bitch and think smart like a poker player - ket
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Mariuslol   Norway. Mar 17 2014 09:55. Posts 4742
Pretty awesome stuff, do you have any youtube links to any awesome bjj for us to watch? (I'm totally green, all I know about it is what I've heard Joe Rogan say during ufc fights lol)
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PuertoRican   United States. Mar 17 2014 11:45. Posts 13127
Nice write-up.
Rekrul is a newb
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Daut   United States. Mar 17 2014 12:45. Posts 8955
On March 17 2014 02:44 Daut wrote:
why not concentrate and try to put a lot of time and effort into the sport as I can while im in the best place in the world to study it?
I'm basically going to do the same thing; moving to Montreal soon, so I figure why not try some mma at tristar, considering it's a top gym
On March 17 2014 02:44 Daut wrote:
So next year I am going to compete. The pan ams is the perfect tournament to do it. I am 29 right now (turning 30 next month) so ill be in a division with only 29-34 year olds,
It's always nice to see someone starting a sport in there mid 20s, and competing a few years later. I always thought it was too late at that age, considering how many people start the sport young
i dont think im ever going to get too serious with competing. maybe if somehow i got real flexible and nasty in the next year and turned into a monster, but i see too many problems with sport jiu jitsu to go crazy over it. but for a blue belt level tourney seems like a blast and i just really love training and getting better and will be nice to test myself in a good solid tournament next year. think its important to stay active and find new challenges and puzzles to keep us busy, why not chess with body parts?
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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Daut   United States. Mar 17 2014 12:46. Posts 8955
On March 17 2014 05:38 Joeingram1 wrote:
Good blog ryan
I think its awesome that your going to give it more of a serious go at it. I know you mentioned it was something you were very interested up in Van but that you really didn't give a serious push with it at any one point in time. I think as we get older (i'm about 1 year younger than you) it becomes harder for most people to decide to really invest in starting to learn a new skill, hobby, sport or anything of that nature. I've actually been doing the same thing with basketball these past 5 months, I have the blog written but still haven't posted as its ongoing each day.
I look forward to following along with the journey and hope that you can shake off the inevitable injuries and random body pain that comes with it
yea the injuries are a huge pain. always something. felt great for all of february then my hip started hurting so i took a week off, now my lower back is kinda sore. never 100%, but for some reason when im on the mat i always feel pretty good, even if i am injured
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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Daut   United States. Mar 17 2014 12:48. Posts 8955
On March 17 2014 06:45 Bigbobm wrote:
you among others actually inspired me to pick up BJJ back in August of last year. i've been able to compete a bit, but there haven't been huge turnouts for whatever reason, so as a 145 white belt im rolling against blue belts or 185 guys no gi. either way, still owe you a huge thanks for answering some of my bjj questions a while back that peaked my interest enough to get me to try.
sounds like you are in a great place to learn though. lot of talent, and a big pool are both great catalysts for learning. love how the judges wear straight up suits in the matches.
its frustrating rolling with better guys at first. you spend the entire matches in bottom of side control, nothing works, and you get your ass kicked day in day out. but you start to survive longer, you start getting back to half guard and full guard more, sometimes you get a sweep, and new guys come into the gym which allows you to see your progress against their level. keep up with it
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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Daut   United States. Mar 17 2014 12:51. Posts 8955
On March 17 2014 08:55 Mariuslol wrote:
Pretty awesome stuff, do you have any youtube links to any awesome bjj for us to watch? (I'm totally green, all I know about it is what I've heard Joe Rogan say during ufc fights lol)
always tell people to watch the BJJ kumite. even though lloyd irvin is a complete scumbag, its super entertaining and youll probably learn a lot of little things by watching really great guys compete against each other. also really nice to watch keenan who is the most talented american jiu jitsu player of all time and hes only 22 (20 or 21 at the time of the videos)
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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Daut   United States. Mar 17 2014 12:57. Posts 8955
for entertainment purposes, you should try to watch matches of the best guy in the world: buchecha. he doesnt stall, great everywhere, always attacking, plays a fun style and hes an ultra heavyweight (223 pounds+), and hes won almost all the major tournaments hes entered in the past 2 years.
one of the better matches i can remember, the open weight 2012 world championship finals:
for learning purposes, watch any rener and ryron gracie videos. they break down positions in UFC fights, show basics to beginners and are really energetic and passionate about the sport, MMA, anti bullying, diet and fitness, and the jiu jitsu lifestyle.
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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longple   Sweden. Mar 17 2014 17:49. Posts 4472
nice1
gz on blue
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Silver_nz   New Zealand. Mar 17 2014 22:57. Posts 5647
Sounds fun.
I think your training so far as been pretty optimal? Putting in one month of really focused practice, would be more efficient learning than spreading it out over a months/year. e.g. intensely training for a month where you go to the gym every day, get one-on-one tutorials and read books, self feedback with video, and focus down one point at a time. Only need time to build muscle.
Like in Broodwar, heavily focused training (for example just focusing on muta micro till it is perfect, just focusing on nailing overlord timing on practice maps) got better skill increase per time spent than playing ladder games for one hour after school each day.
What have your experiences been in optimal increasing skill in competitive games?
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Daut   United States. Mar 18 2014 01:18. Posts 8955
BJJ is pretty different from other competitive games for a bunch of reasons.
-your body can only do so much, its really hard to train hours and hours unless you build up to that level and become super efficient and dont get tired.
-nothing compares to going to a class and learning techniques. Watching videos, reading books,etc, they dont really translate well to success on the mat. there are so many important details in each technique that if you do any one of them wrong its not going to work against a competent opponent. when i watch videos online its mostly for entertainment purposes, but sometimes i look for little concepts and themes, but dont really try to emulate something i see a top level guy do in a youtube video.
-you really need a partner to practice and learn. maybe if i had a twin brother i could practice techniques with day in day out while at home it would be great, but i get all my workouts in at the gym.
for poker i think the optimal is to put in something like 30-35 hours a week playing and 5-10 hours off the table studying using programs like odds oracle, watching videos, reviewing sessions, etc. i think more than that starts to burn you out. in starcraft id guess something pretty similar to poker. 30 hours playing, a few hours studying and perfecting builds, some time reviewing replays, some time working on specific micro, etc.
for BJJ here is what i would consider an optimal training routine, thats to say if i was training to be a world champion:
-3 days a week do some sort of strength and conditioning. mostly lifting, lots of squats/deadlifts/leg work, some sprints and HIIT
-5-6 days a week train twice a day. each session should be roughly 1 hour of drilling, 15 minutes of specific training, 30 minutes of rolling. drilling is basically going through a technique over and over trying to perfect it on a partner who is giving some but not much resistance. specific training is starting from the position you drilled and working against a partner fully resisting and reseting if the position sufficiently changes (i.e. start in side control, start over or switch if you mount or get to half guard). and rolling is just free sparring, go for 6 minute rounds with 1-2 minutes break in between.
basically putting in something like 4 hours of work a day 5-6 days a week with 1-2 days of rest or basic workouts.
since im 29 and have lower testosterone than a 22 year old world class athlete, that type of training regime is too much for me. so what im aiming for is 3 lifts a week: chest/triceps, back/biceps, shoulders/legs with 10 minutes of good stretching before and after each lift. and going to try to put in roughly 5-6 total training sessions a week. dont think i can handle much more than that.
from my experience, 2-3 times a week gets fast progress at first, but after a few months youll plateau and start seeing really slow returns. when i am going 4-5 times a week or more i am learning a lot, getting in better shape, am able to roll longer and feel stronger for each session. but you really need to keep at it to cement the concepts. cant go 10x in 2 weeks then take a month off and retain everything. the way i was doing it in the past was pretty bad. breakdown of last year basically: didnt go at all in january, 10x in february, 8x in march, took off april/may, went maybe 3x in june, took off july-august, went 2x a month from september til november, then started training harder in december.
today i did a 3 hour BJJ session and im fucking dead. think it was too much. my body just started giving out after about 2.5 hours. was 45 minutes drilling, 15 minutes specific training, an hour of drilling, 15 minutes specific training, and 45 minutes of rolling. i was doing really well against a bunch of different blue-purple belt guys and actually surviving with some brown belts during specific training and the first few rounds of rolling, but after the 2nd 6 minute round i just lost all my energy. im glad i pushed myself to the limit tonight and saw how hard it is to do anything when you have nothing left in the tank. also good to know how far i can go at this point before im worthless. tomorrow im going to try to put in two 90 minute sessions, one at 11 and one at 6 with a nap in the afternoon. very possible my body just cant get up in the morning and i just do a night session.
diet wise im working pretty hard to maximize my testosterone. i try to have 2 protein shakes a day (16 oz almond milk, 8oz frozen berries, 1 banana, some frozen broccoli, coconut butter, flaxseed, chia powder, whey protein and once per day 1 teaspoon creatine). in the morning i try to eat a 2 egg sandwich on wheat toast (cholesterol is good for testosterone levels). during the day i vary between whole foods meals like herb roasted turkey+sweet potato+corn or grilled salmon+green beans+pasta, sushi, korean chicken+spinach. and then on sunday nights i cheat a bit with some fatty food truck sliders and ice cream. probably about 3000 calories a day. may have to increase if i train harder than i have been.
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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Silver_nz   New Zealand. Mar 18 2014 07:11. Posts 5647
epic plan. interesting to think about how the optimal will be changed with the addition of requirement for physical training.
So envious of you training BJJ. I just cant find the time for it, even though I'd love to give it ago.
How ever, just started thai boxing (muay thai) a month or two ago, and really enjoying it!
Milkman lol i didnt spend half a thousand on a phone so i could play it cool and be all stealth
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failsafe   United States. Mar 18 2014 17:02. Posts 1040
I know when I quit Tae'Kwon'Do. I was a First-Degree Black Belt (no stripes). I tried a "Voltron Attack" against a kid half my height and four years younger. He laughed.
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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Mar 18 2014 17:56. Posts 8649
On March 18 2014 00:18 Daut wrote:
for BJJ here is what i would consider an optimal training routine, thats to say if i was training to be a world champion:
-3 days a week do some sort of strength and conditioning. mostly lifting, lots of squats/deadlifts/leg work, some sprints and HIIT
i never understood how people could do squats and sprints/HIIT on the same day, whenever i tried it if i did the HIIT first my squats suffered, and if i did the squats first my legs just felt like rubber trying to do sprints.
Truck-Crash Life
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Daut   United States. Mar 19 2014 00:48. Posts 8955
injured!
nothing serious, but hurt my ankle last night and its all bruised/swollen. went in this afternoon but aggravated it further, so icing and hopefully the swelling/bruising is gone tomorrow. 3 weeks ago my hip started hurting badly in wrestling drills, took about a week to recover. wonder if its like this for everyone
re: iop: muay thai is sweet. would love to devote some time to learning it down the road after ive progressed a bit further in bjj but want to sponge up everything i can now
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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PuertoRican   United States. Mar 19 2014 01:30. Posts 13127