Strange symptoms

Tell them to check out all your hormones, like TSH and T4, AND testosterone.

Ive got the same thing for about 8 months ago, And Im still fucked up but it gets better, they tried to give me antideppression pills, but I told them to fuck off cause thats not the problem here, And forced them to take a test for TSH, T4 and testosterone. The test showed that they all were fucked up, so now im on medicatication and im feeling much better, but far away from good tho.

Dont give up, you are the one who knows your body, not the doctor. Use google and stuff so you know what youre talking about when you talk to your doctor, the doctors here in sweden can be kinda ignorant so Its good to know what youre talking about If you wanna get good again.

good luck!


ps: never ever had any kind of psychic problems before in life, and im 29 years old now.

On September 14 2015 14:31 gruggel wrote: Dont give up, you are the one who knows your body, not the doctor. Use google and stuff so you know what youre talking about when you talk to your doctor, the doctors here in sweden can be kinda ignorant so Its good to know what youre talking about If you wanna get good again.

worst advice ever given on the internet

tell me how people with 10 years of education before they practice at a basic level have less knowledge
don't use google - i can tell u the result ull get - it ll be cancer

On September 14 2015 14:34 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2015 14:31 gruggel wrote: Dont give up, you are the one who knows your body, not the doctor. Use google and stuff so you know what youre talking about when you talk to your doctor, the doctors here in sweden can be kinda ignorant so Its good to know what youre talking about If you wanna get good again. worst advice ever given on the internet tell me how people with 10 years of education before they practice at a basic level have less knowledge don't use google - i can tell u the result ull get - it ll be cancer

I can see that you have never ever been to a doctor ........ Of course you can get a good one..... But I didnt, It took me 5 different doctors to get a good one.

The best way to fix you is to give you pills, pills and pills instead of fix the real problem.
They are veeery good at that in Sweden.

After reading a few about congnitive psycheology and panic attacks Im sure any human is biased enough to think he knows about himself a lot. The mind can convince himself the problem is physical. And any physical symptom can be perceptionally amplified by the mind to raise alarms. Hence convincing oneself more that the problem is physical. Also, statistics says the problem is psycheological, even if my perception says its physical. And as poker players we learnt that statistics are stronger than perception.

The thyroid is controlled by the brain. So the problem is usually not the thyroid, but the mind who thinks he needs more adrenaline or so. I want to be sure the thyroid is not doing something crazy, becouse I want to avoid medication if possible.

I can try to make it more clear...

When it comes to hormones Its really wierd, doctors will probably take some bloodtests on you, but testosterone is NOT in a default bloodtest to start with. And the doctors I met told me that, "no, you are too young to have problems with that, so there is no need to take a test for that". So, I googled around, and found out that I had almost EVERY sympthom of having low testosterone-levels and forced the doctor to take a test of it, after a very very long time they agreed to take it, And I was right.

With low/bad hormone-levels you feel very very bad, Its hard to explain, but everything is just so bad. So, If you Spitfire never had problems like this, I think you should just shut your mouth.

Use google and take a look when It comes to low testosterone levels, and TSH/T4.

Have a nice day

My boners are fine now. Thanks
TSH normal, T4L top of acceptable range

I agree with gruggel. Similar experience here in USA.

And what was your experience Nitewin if you mind sharing? Symptoms and medication used. You can PM me if you feel more comfortable

It's like the blind are leading the blind in this blog.


Anyway, welcome back. I hope you feel better.

On September 14 2015 14:53 gruggel wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2015 14:34 Spitfiree wrote:   On September 14 2015 14:31 gruggel wrote: Dont give up, you are the one who knows your body, not the doctor. Use google and stuff so you know what youre talking about when you talk to your doctor, the doctors here in sweden can be kinda ignorant so Its good to know what youre talking about If you wanna get good again. worst advice ever given on the internet tell me how people with 10 years of education before they practice at a basic level have less knowledge don't use google - i can tell u the result ull get - it ll be cancer I can see that you have never ever been to a doctor ........ Of course you can get a good one..... But I didnt, It took me 5 different doctors to get a good one. The best way to fix you is to give you pills, pills and pills instead of fix the real problem. They are veeery good at that in Sweden.

Lets see
both my parents are doctors
so are a bunch of friends
they are sick and tired of retards that google their symptoms and go for doctor shopping till someone agrees with them

That being said psychological problems are not ones to be treated by doctors, they are not shrinks. They can threat the physical symptoms which leads to pills. Thats why this area of treatment is shady as fuck.

What a person can do is get his shit together like OP did and change his habits to healthier ones which is a process. No one will wave a wand and do it for u

You probably just had a bad luck w medical employees. That is a worldwide problem - I've had those myself although I've literally got the best connections when it comes to that. That doesn't mean the majority aren't good specialist

I disagree about "google the symptoms", but its true doctors aren't perfect and can miss things.

As i explained in my blog, i saw like 10+ doc, and only one thought it was H pylori, and he was right. Therefore, its a good idea to get a second, or even a third opinion.

But googling your symptoms is probably a bad idea, especially if you might suffer from health anxiety.

Also, out of the 10 docs i saw, there was many different "diagnostics". Some said anxiety, some said heartburn and prescribed me anti-acid, some said it was inflammation and prescribed meds for that, and one suggested it could be skeletic.

The point is, treating the human body is probably much more complicated than fixing a computer, and guess what, my job is tech support and we do mistakes all the time. There's no doubt doctors make mistakes too.

On September 15 2015 01:00 Floofy wrote: I disagree about "google the symptoms", but its true doctors aren't perfect and can miss things. As i explained in my blog, i saw like 10+ doc, and only one thought it was H pylori, and he was right. Therefore, its a good idea to get a second, or even a third opinion. But googling your symptoms is probably a bad idea, especially if you might suffer from health anxiety. Also, out of the 10 docs i saw, there was many different "diagnostics". Some said anxiety, some said heartburn and prescribed me anti-acid, some said it was inflammation and prescribed meds for that, and one suggested it could be skeletic. The point is, treating the human body is probably much more complicated than fixing a computer, and guess what, my job is tech support and we do mistakes all the time. There's no doubt doctors make mistakes too.

I would bet anxiety at 1:1 odds about your problem in a heartbeat... many of your doctors were probably ignorant

On September 14 2015 19:37 Spitfiree wrote: ...they are sick and tired of retards that google their symptoms and go for doctor shopping till someone agrees with them That being said psychological problems are not ones to be treated by doctors, they are not shrinks. They can threat the physical symptoms which leads to pills. Thats why this area of treatment is shady as fuck. What a person can do is get his shit together like OP did and change his habits to healthier ones which is a process. No one will wave a wand and do it for u

It's really funny to hear you describe patients in that way. The reality is doctors are extremely busy, clearly overworked and only human. The body is very complicated and while some problems are easy to solve with a pure positive impact, it's pure arrogance to say they're "tired of retards that google their symptoms"... there are LOTS of doctors that shouldn't be operating if you think they should know everything (especially GPs!!) and you trust the first one you meet 100% because "he/she is a doctor". They literally follow text book procedure in almost all of their decision making process and are terrified of things they can't explain with numbers i.e. they might dismiss them as psychological or give generic advice. Then there are financial and lab time constraints that make them shun "speculative" or "less likely" tests even though you know another doctor with more experience or knowledge would do it immediately to at the very least get a reference. To get the tests you need on a social healthcare system you REALLY need to do internet research and battle for it. You won't always be right but the truth is doctors can only care so much for 1 patient and it's your duty to always care for yourself. They have specialists for various areas or systems of the body because of it's complexity and even then they aren't all up to date on the latest medical knowledge. Get real.

On September 15 2015 02:43 ggplz wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2015 19:37 Spitfiree wrote: ...they are sick and tired of retards that google their symptoms and go for doctor shopping till someone agrees with them That being said psychological problems are not ones to be treated by doctors, they are not shrinks. They can threat the physical symptoms which leads to pills. Thats why this area of treatment is shady as fuck. What a person can do is get his shit together like OP did and change his habits to healthier ones which is a process. No one will wave a wand and do it for u It's really funny to hear you describe patients in that way. The reality is doctors are extremely busy, clearly overworked and only human. The body is very complicated and while some problems are easy to solve with a pure positive impact, it's pure arrogance to say they're "tired of retards that google their symptoms"... there are LOTS of doctors that shouldn't be operating if you think they should know everything (especially GPs!!) and you trust the first one you meet 100% because "he/she is a doctor". They literally follow text book procedure in almost all of their decision making process and are terrified of things they can't explain with numbers i.e. they might dismiss them as psychological or give generic advice. Then there are financial and lab time constraints that make them shun "speculative" or "less likely" tests even though you know another doctor with more experience or knowledge would do it immediately to at the very least get a reference. To get the tests you need on a social healthcare system you REALLY need to do internet research and battle for it. You won't always be right but the truth is doctors can only care so much for 1 patient and it's your duty to always care for yourself. They have specialists for various areas or systems of the body because of it's complexity and even then they aren't all up to date on the latest medical knowledge. Get real.

Very true post man.

As an example, i was convinced of having H pylori (in my case, not because of internet, but because of a cardiologist), and i asked several doctors and they laughed at me saying i'm just anxious. My family doctor finally let me do the test, stating he didn't think i have it, but that he doesn't mind letting me do it for my peace of mind. And yea it was positive... and H pylori can get very bad if left untreated.

Of course, those doctors are from social healthcare system. Pretty sure a doctor from private sector would have gladly made me pass the test asap.

On September 15 2015 01:55 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2015 01:00 Floofy wrote: I disagree about "google the symptoms", but its true doctors aren't perfect and can miss things. As i explained in my blog, i saw like 10+ doc, and only one thought it was H pylori, and he was right. Therefore, its a good idea to get a second, or even a third opinion. But googling your symptoms is probably a bad idea, especially if you might suffer from health anxiety. Also, out of the 10 docs i saw, there was many different "diagnostics". Some said anxiety, some said heartburn and prescribed me anti-acid, some said it was inflammation and prescribed meds for that, and one suggested it could be skeletic. The point is, treating the human body is probably much more complicated than fixing a computer, and guess what, my job is tech support and we do mistakes all the time. There's no doubt doctors make mistakes too. I would bet anxiety at 1:1 odds about your problem in a heartbeat... many of your doctors were probably ignorant

It is proven by a blood test that i DO have H pylori.

Now, is it possible H pylori made me anxious because of the symptoms it did to me? Yes
Is it possible i simply have both H pylori and anxiety? Yes

@OP, do you have your T3/T4/TSH/other numbers? Was it "free T4" or just T4? Always interesting.

Bad quality sleep could be due to a lot of things, consider:
- environmental noise and light polution, bedroom should be quiet and pitch black
- eating too close to bedtime esp high energy/sweet/stimulating foods, avoid 2-4 hrs before, more if you use energy drinks..
- if you're overweight, go on a diet, less calories means less energy in the evenings = easier to sleep
- settle down in a quiet place + read a book, drink some relaxing herbal tea (not green), do things you genuinely associate with relaxation
- keep a clean bed you look forward to sleeping in

No idea how active you are daily but I imagine you do a lot of sitting. If I was you, I'd get into the habbit of doing stretches every day for all muscles you're feeling that sensation in and see if that helps at all. I'm no expert but consider if those muscles are really tense throughout the day. Think about what you're doing or have been doing when you feel it. Really try to stretch out your body, especially your back & neck with multiple stretches and be careful/gentle, it's hard to say over the net what condition your body is in. Maybe you have an issue with your spine? Probably also a good idea to do light bodyweight exercises like squats to help strengthen those adductors a bit. Just some ideas, i assume you can google stretches + how to do bodyweight squats.

Sounds similar to what happened to me a while back. Had never had a panic attack in my life but after a short coke problem i induced some anxiety and had my first panick attacks. thought it was heart problems initially which exacerbated things. Once I realized what it was (and quit drugs) I was able to get it in check but I am still now more prone to anxiety than i was and vulnerable to panic attacks in certain situations when my nervous system is whacked (hungover, stimulated from coffee). I don't take anything for it but a benzo like ativan (lorazepam) is great if you are actually in the middle of an attack.

There is a middle stage of the anxiety like a pre attack where heart rate is increased and you are very conscious of your breathing and likely not feeling like you are getting enough air. maybe taking the occasional deep breath. This is the pre attack for me or semi attack that can happen more regularly from more mundane things. The full blown panic attack is when I start getting repeated adrenaline surges in the solar plexus in what feels like a feedback loop, extreme dysphoria with an out of body feeling, tingling weak limbs. This rarely happens and hopefully it doesn't get quite that bad for you

oj, accidental double post, deleting this one