Down so much from tournaments

I didn't know you were playing tournaments, I thought you were just playing cash. PLO 8 seems like a really strange format for a tournament... In spots in a cash game where you have decent equity like 40% say and have to just get all the chips in, might be very different in a tournament.

I'm sure you will figure things out and win in the very long run :-)

Lol I've played a few of those tourneys (might be thinking of NLO8) and I just remember everyone jacking in A2xx pre and being pretty tight otherwise.

EDIT - somehow double posted.

basic strategy is just to fold most everything pre, like i mean basically everything that isnt a234/ak22/a245/ak23 etc in the early blinds (think of sng tight where u fold aq utg in 10/20 blinds) If you're actually paying attention and not watching a movie or twitch or something like i usually am you can probably play a lot of marginal shit for a limp in because no1 raises anything pre. Like aq53 a33k AQQ2 etc for cheap pots and just bet big when u hit a spot where u can scoop

middle blinds i think i play about the same in early positions and I loosen up just a bit in later position actually raising some of those hands when there is light or no action in front of me. Double barreling on boards on board like K27 where the turn comes 9+ is insanely good because ppl are looking for low hands a lot and dont want to pay a big price to draw for it on the river. It helps even more since your imagine is probably a nit to anyone who is paying attention. Once it's 75/150+ or wherever the blinds become 10x the starting stack you just play it like a push/fold scenario where you somehow apply your sng experience to the equity of your hand and make a decision although usually i have doubled or tripled up because ppl have no idea that they are supposed to be scooping pots and not holding onto their KK 2 pair post flop. You can also use your nit image rly well in these spots because PF equity is not that strong in this game, no hand really dominates another hand that much so restealing wide with 15-25bbs is actually really easy and not that bad with a hand like KQJT or a73K

i don't know if you had the sng experience on stars but most every tournament on bovada plays like a 180 man on stars, those plo8 tournaments play a lot like a 45 man. I just apply a lot of the mechanics of those formats to my style and try to assume my equity from that mentality.

the main thing with these games in plo8 where no one folds is to just bet the fucking pot when you have a high equity hand towards a scoop. I'm pretty sure plo8 is the softest game on bovada by a very large margin you can think like 2006 and literally just play faceup and bet pot when you have it and fold when you don't.

PS I realized I have no modern way to talk to you old best friend PM me if you wanna have a plo8 buddy to chat with.

On November 19 2015 19:49 HungarianGOD wrote: I didn't know you were playing tournaments, I thought you were just playing cash. PLO 8 seems like a really strange format for a tournament... In spots in a cash game where you have decent equity like 40% say and have to just get all the chips in, might be very different in a tournament. I'm sure you will figure things out and win in the very long run :-)

i got into tournaments because i got sick of seeing so much go to rake in cash games when there's a split pot... i just couldn't take it anymore. (for example if two players get it allin and it's a split pot, rake takes 5% of the entire pot... which at low stakes is a lot!)

On November 19 2015 20:00 traxamillion wrote: Lol I've played a few of those tourneys (might be thinking of NLO8) and I just remember everyone jacking in A2xx pre and being pretty tight otherwise.

ya i play too loose now... i was doing ok when i was playing tight.

skies <3

I was under the impression competition is weak as fuck on bodog. And you're worrying about 5% rake from split pots? shiiiiiiiitttttttttt

On November 21 2015 05:44 devon06atX wrote: I was under the impression competition is weak as fuck on bodog. And you're worrying about 5% rake from split pots? shiiiiiiiitttttttttt

dude when every 1 in 5 pots gets allin and there's a split more than half the time... that's a lot of rake over not that many hands! also the presence of rake causes players to play suboptimally, theorywise, due to the overly drastic negative repercussions of rake

^ Good point. Now that you mention it, I remember reading a few times about how micros are super hard to beat on PS because of the rake. It would be interesting to get a good plo player to start from NL2 and work their way up, see what their winrate is and all that good stuff.

note that this is PLO8, which is hi/lo so there's a split way way more often than in regular PLO

and i continue to donk (read: bubbleboy) my way out of donkaments -_-

man plo8 is such a joke easy tournament game esp as the fields are small I'd fidn it almost impossible to think you could have a -75% roi at almost any point unless you were making pretty large mistakes (or had a sample size of less than a hundred). Are you decent at hi/lo? I play alot of tournament o8 and plo (I play all the 530's and 215's every week) and you really need to have your equities down and know the playabilities of your hands/stacksizes/villains/plans for the hands and be confident.

yeah i dunno, i think my ROI is a combination of me lacking experience (in both o8 and tournament play in general), running bad, and def some monkey tilt. been doing alright in the cash games, think i will avoid tournies for a while. i do enjoy the game though, its so different from holdem feels like a whole nother game

definitely is a different game. I was a huge winner in tourneys and a huge loser in cash (in terms of roi, not really in terms of profit, for either). well I don't have much/any experience for omaha in either format but a lot for holdem.

I do guess deepstack tourneys will be more like cashgames but overall, most of the time is spent playing with a 10-40 bb stack. I'm sure the game has evolved since I was active though, either 2009 or 2010 was last I was active, but I kinda remember feeling that the most important aspect to master to be successful in a tournament was knowing which players to 3bet steal from. Cash is like, you just wanna take any +ev situation you can get, in tourney, you always want to preserve your stack, and one 3bet steal equated to two orbits of paying blinds. Like, a big mtt, I don't think you want to take a 77 vs Q9s for your entire stack for the first couple hours. Probably somewhere near the bubble having a big stack becomes so beneficial that you'd start wanting to take one, but for the first couple hours you only want to put your money in when you're significantly ahead.

then you gotta flip good, and sometimes you flip bad 1000 tourneys in a row. then it sucks.