Live hold'em refreshener

opening those pairs is Ev+ in though games, so its definitely bad to fold them in your games.

All those hands should be completed in the SB, I think you greatly underestimate how good your pot odds are, especially if the BB isnt going to squeeze often which is almost never the case live.

that EP raising range sounds too tight in most live lineups IMO since people will call the open with raggy aces etc but maybe your game isnt that bad.

Your idea that you do a lot of right thing postflop but are unsure preflop kind of tells me you are simply not aware of the things you are doing wrong postflop

It just seems low pp have no fe pf or on the flop and i dont want to be barreling turns with little equity, so just keeping them to cutoff openings or calling pf raises seems better.

Idk, in these multiway somewhat loose passive games sd value is king, and people will usually only fold if they fear their full stack at risk

Agree with everything except the PP.
Baal would you explain how is 22-66 open EV+ even in tough games in 6max @ UTG/MP, not even gonna think about FR

you don't have to raise pp early, but in a live loose game i am always limping those hands.

tbh i used to think about poker a lot like you. but those preflop decisions are so marginal when compared to post flop decisions.

all those hands listed for completing the small blind are fine. just make strong top pair hands and go to value town.

as for us online poker being illegal, i don't really care either way. it's probably something i'm not touching either way and it's nice having bovada be as juicy as it is.

On December 30 2016 21:52 Spitfiree wrote: Agree with everything except the PP. Baal would you explain how is 22-66 open EV+ even in tough games in 6max @ UTG/MP, not even gonna think about FR

almost every HS reg opens them I think thats the best answer you can get.

If you want approximation analize a BIG database and see the EV of those pairs in EP compared to hands you think are opens.

On December 30 2016 21:21 Big_Rob_isback wrote: It just seems low pp have no fe pf or on the flop and i dont want to be barreling turns with little equity, so just keeping them to cutoff openings or calling pf raises seems better. Idk, in these multiway somewhat loose passive games sd value is king, and people will usually only fold if they fear their full stack at risk

They are not the hands that are going to make you money when you dont hit, but they should make you tonts of money when you do.

If you can get away with limping, players behind not opening often nor giving away your obvious range split, you can limp or raise small for the same effect.

I think you are CBetting with PPs when you shouldnt.

If you can get away with limping, players behind not opening often nor giving away your obvious range split, you can limp or raise small for the same effect. I think you are CBetting with PPs when you shouldnt.

This sounds like good advice, maybe only cbet in 3 way or heads up pots when the board is paired, or when the flop is dry with one paint card? Raising smaller is nice if you can consistently get away with it.

On December 31 2016 03:40 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On December 30 2016 21:52 Spitfiree wrote: Agree with everything except the PP. Baal would you explain how is 22-66 open EV+ even in tough games in 6max @ UTG/MP, not even gonna think about FR almost every HS reg opens them I think thats the best answer you can get. If you want approximation analize a BIG database and see the EV of those pairs in EP compared to hands you think are opens.

in hs sure. but what about full ring, low/midstakes live where there are 3 or more callers pf when you open small pp's? in those games limp might be the better option. 1. you want more players in the pot in case yu hot. 2. live games like the op is talking about seem to be mostly played by post flop calling stations. so its hard taking the pot down with a cb.

I wouldn't be folding small PPs in such soft games, unless there is a lot of 3betting pf when you open EP. Pretty much agree with everything Baal said. When playing PPs in multiway flops as the PFR you can't really be betting very often without a set. Can bet paired boards for like 1/3 pot and sometimes bet more dry boards especially headsup or 3 way but a lot of times you just have to try to show down these pairs since like you said their barreling potential is atrocious and it's generally not a good strategy to be betting these small PPs just for protection.

AJ off is a definite fold utg live. Cannot believe how many times i got raped by a better hand to learn this.

Small pocket pairs are limps utg and opens in late position. Sets are were you make the most money in this game. Im never folding a pair pre. MAYBE like deuces through 4s utg but not anything higher. Suited connectors i play almost the same way and wait to crack some big pocket pair. This also gives you value by balancing your raising range which is most important.
Otherwise dont bloat up the pot. Agreed that i hate online poker now.

On December 31 2016 11:57 MezmerizePLZ wrote: I wouldn't be folding small PPs in such soft games, unless there is a lot of 3betting pf when you open EP. Pretty much agree with everything Baal said. When playing PPs in multiway flops as the PFR you can't really be betting very often without a set. Can bet paired boards for like 1/3 pot and sometimes bet more dry boards especially headsup or 3 way but a lot of times you just have to try to show down these pairs since like you said their barreling potential is atrocious and it's generally not a good strategy to be betting these small PPs just for protection.

Third-ed with these fine gentlemen. They are played mainly for their raw equity they can flop not necessarily for the playbility. People not folding to opens is NOT a problem at all with these hands. Its getting 3bet that is the only negative result.

On December 31 2016 14:57 JohnnyBologna wrote: AJ off is a definite fold utg live. Cannot believe how many times i got raped by a better hand to learn this. Small pocket pairs are limps utg and opens in late position. Sets are were you make the most money in this game. Im never folding a pair pre. MAYBE like deuces through 4s utg but not anything higher. Suited connectors i play almost the same way and wait to crack some big pocket pair. This also gives you value by balancing your raising range which is most important. Otherwise dont bloat up the pot. Agreed that i hate online poker now.

limping can be ok if you are constructing a limpraise strategy to prevent people that over isolate. Or if u are playing with ALL fish and no one raises ever. Assuming its a normal game this isnt usually the case that its THAT soft. Opening to 3x is much better than limp/calling 5x-6x. No one 3bets. So not opening in a soft game is a mistake. Limpcalling is a bigger investment without the ability to actually win the pot (occationally PF) occationally cbetting dry boards into 1-2 people.

just going to hop in and basically say the same thing re playing pairs (and other hands that either nail/whif flops with minor equity changes later on). most of online flop strategy is based around seeing the flop 2 or 3 handed. when you are seeing flops 6 way you should be adjusting cbet %s accordingly.

don't listen to poor user, he's retired and out of touch. 5th'ed ad-infinitum to what baal etc said though

maybe so but he will still touch you if you let him.

fk im old now