Unprofitable

you have some serious holes in your game if you can't beat NL10 using any viable style.

look over your game.

not enough loose plays on 10nl fr? well you could always try PP, im pretty sure there are a lot.
I could even hook you up with 23% rakeback on partypoker

On February 18 2007 16:56 Loco wrote: not enough loose plays on 10nl fr? well you could always try PP, im pretty sure there are a lot. I could even hook you up with 23% rakeback on partypoker

Where is this PPrakeback? :O

I can't play on PP since I"m from the US

Let me explain how I play.

My table selection:
I always try to sit on tables where there are lots of full stacks. Problem? All those fullstacks are set miners,

Raise with any position with:
AA KK QQ AK

Limp:
PP's, suited connectors, suited A's IN POSITION

I try to get into an allin position with AA and KK, even QQ if they are halfstacked or less.
I limp all pocket pairs, and I check/call on the flop, depending on the flop texture.
I call bets up to 50c if my JJ is the highest pair.
I get my set allin vs 3-card straight boards, a few flush boards,
Basically, I think I'm playing a very normal set-mining style.

My problem:

I get very little action when I have strong hands, I bet about 3/4 of the pot usually.
I never slow play, I bet out as soon as I hit a strong hand.

In my 1k hand session today, I had set or better around 10 times, and I NOT ONCE got any action.

As in my above post, I lost with a TTT full house, Kk vs AA,
I'm down 1 buyin this session, and I "feel" like this will never change.

I never "feel" that I can win. I think I play quite aggressively when i have strong hands, I never get any action.

over a reasonable hand sample pretty much and reasonable style should beat 10NL and the players are all quite loose. I suggest you play a bunch more hands and if your still not winning than really look hard at your play cause theirs bound to be some really big holes.

On February 18 2007 16:49 CrownRoyal wrote: you have some serious holes in your game if you can't beat NL10 using any viable style. look over your game.

I don't know man, when I first played NL10 late december it was SO, SOOOOO much easier than it is now (600$ downswing from 50 and 25NL wee ).

Sets paid off almost all the time, I can't stand full ring anymore so I guess 6handed is different but there's just soooooooooooooooooo many setminers there now. Seriously. Nothing happens at the tables, they are filled with 30% set miners, 30% calling stations with gigantic stacks who will call all your cbets and bluff etc, which can be annoying when you mass table.

But what's really the absolute worst, is the amount of shortstacks -_-

It's impossible to play when there's a bunch of 2$, 1.5$, 3$, 4$ guys at the table.. And there might not be that many tables to choose from unless it's prime time - so you either play with a bunch of annoying hit and running shorties, or at a table with 5 setminers and a 'plrs on flop' % of 20.

When I played NL10 back in december I did have a sick heater but seriously, I hit the same hands now as I did then, just no one pays me off.

I made like, 500$ in a total of 6 days I think?

Like 4days = 300$ (3good days 1 bad day) (playing like 10k hands a day btw), then moved up to NL25, got cruuuuushed, moved back down, played NL10 for 2 days making 200$.

So maybe I'm just used to NL10 being some kind of poker players dream but the players do seem a lot nittier now than they did before..

My HH consists of around 140k hands.
My style has varied GREATLY over those 140k hands, and that's one of the reasons my BR isn't consistently rising.

This is the first time i've played poker, so I am learning a lot.
I have also tried to play 10nl 6max, and that has probably affected my play a bit.
I looked hard into my play for the past week or so, and right now, I think I'm playing ideally.

I think the style I've been playing for the past week now, is quite solid. I'm sure that if luck comes my way, I'll do much better.

you should be able to crush nl10 without ever hitting a set.

pretty sure you can easily win 2buyins/1k hands.

imagine if you had played 100k hands on Ultimatebet with 30% rakeback ~_~ prolly like huh 30-40 buy ins ? ;-)

If you're playing at nitty tables YOU have to be the aggressor.....try playing like 14/12, they won't know what the fuck to do when you raise J8s on the button and they have 33 in the SB. They call, flop XXX (doesn't fucking matter as long as there's no 3) and they fold to your 1/2 pot bet. Simple.

6MAX PLZ

On February 18 2007 18:03 jonyy6788 wrote: If you're playing at nitty tables YOU have to be the aggressor.....try playing like 14/12, they won't know what the fuck to do when you raise J8s on the button and they have 33 in the SB. They call, flop XXX (doesn't fucking matter as long as there's no 3) and they fold to your 1/2 pot bet. Simple.

only problem with this is, on 10nl FR u get 50% callstation short stacks 50% set miner so the $2 short stacks call all ur bets with thier middle pairs and beat ur airs

yeh 6 Max, less tables and less nitdom. Seriously you easily stack ppl all the time on 10NL if you play slightly loose but very aggressive. Only play big pots with big hands though otherwise move on... but don't play 12 tables or 8 or even 6. concentrate on max of 4 tables. and try and get people to play back at you - then play the big pot against them when u actually have the big hand. I think you should be able to make good profit on 10NL.

Also - and along the lines of what i just said - you need to play aggressive with or without a hand (in position ALWAYS). Don't limp SCs etc - basically don't limp, because if you are playing SC you are not playing in EP and if you are playing it in LP then you should be raising - not limping. Same with PPs - don't limp PPs unless you are UTG and the PP is less than 7s.

You said you play really aggressive when you hit a hand - maybe you need to give your nit opponents some credit for seeing this? I know i used to see a player when i started out played just like this and everyone knew it! we all talked about it - i used to point it out to the table too - ibsubaihui got very annoyed when i did that! lol Now he is some balla 200NL player or something and i still play 25 and 50NL but that's not the point! Believe me he loosened up in the end cause it just wasn't profitable for him to play 12/8 nit style anymore.

GL HF - you are on my msn so feel free to msg me if you wanna chat.

to tell you the truth, i made more playing six 6max tables than playing 12tabling FR.
u can stack ppl over and over ez. I also have this speculative theory: in 6max the whole table is getting dealt less hands so you have a better chance of getting more playable hands whereas in FR u can wait and wait for something to come along and not get it in 1k hands because nearly 1/3 of the deck is distributed amongst everyone.

On February 18 2007 17:23 goodguysm wrote: I can't play on PP since I"m from the US Let me explain how I play. My table selection: I always try to sit on tables where there are lots of full stacks. Problem? All those fullstacks are set miners, Raise with any position with: AA KK QQ AK Limp: PP's, suited connectors, suited A's IN POSITION I try to get into an allin position with AA and KK, even QQ if they are halfstacked or less. I limp all pocket pairs, and I check/call on the flop, depending on the flop texture. I call bets up to 50c if my JJ is the highest pair. I get my set allin vs 3-card straight boards, a few flush boards, Basically, I think I'm playing a very normal set-mining style. My problem: I get very little action when I have strong hands, I bet about 3/4 of the pot usually. I never slow play, I bet out as soon as I hit a strong hand. In my 1k hand session today, I had set or better around 10 times, and I NOT ONCE got any action. As in my above post, I lost with a TTT full house, Kk vs AA, I'm down 1 buyin this session, and I "feel" like this will never change. I never "feel" that I can win. I think I play quite aggressively when i have strong hands, I never get any action.

u have to learn to adapt. it looks like youre following a set of systematic rules to abide by. varying your play is good

On February 18 2007 18:25 redrain0125 wrote: 6MAX PLZ

I found the .02 / .05 games the most profitable of all the games i have played so far.