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Floofy   Canada. Apr 09 2007 00:03. Posts 8708
OK enough retarded entries, i want to discuss a limit concept i recently learned:


Dealt to Floofy [Th 9d]
Uncthemonk: folds
Snowpimp911 joins the table at seat #6
TeeJayOrTJ: folds
unjust: folds
Floofy: raises $10 to $20
BrokenATM: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [Ts 9s 9c]
Floofy: bets $10
BrokenATM: calls $10
*** TURN *** [Ts 9s 9c] 6s
Floofy: checks
BrokenATM: bets $20
Floofy: raises $20 to $40
BrokenATM: calls $20
*** RIVER *** [Ts 9s 9c 6s] 7d
Floofy: bets $20
BrokenATM: calls $20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Floofy: shows [Th 9d] (a full house, Nines full of Tens)
BrokenATM: mucks hand
Floofy collected $178 from pot


The question: was my opponement right to call down after my turn raise? is he a mad donkey?

If you show this on 2+2, most people will answer "lol ez fold". But my opponement knows me and he knows i am able to sometimes randomly decide im check raising this turn (mainly with straight draws and overcards, 22-44 is also a possiblity). He might even wrongly think im an overaggro donkey who can do this with any two.

Truth is vilian is a regular and seems to be a winner.

Now the question is: what should he have done if he had a doubt about me? (vs lag tards its generally ez call down, vs fishy nits its easy fold)

What i recently realized is that in this spot, the best is to fold it about 30% of the time, and randomlly call down 70%. this way, bluffing cannot be +EV for vilian because he is risking 60$ to win 120$. Making an habit of either folding or calling down in this spot is exploitable and shouldnt be done. (note that this hand isnt the best example because there are many draws. in a similar situation but a very dry board, i would fold it even more in his spot. Again keep in mind good limit players are very agressive and make moves all the time, folding every times is bad)


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james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;( 

DustySwedeDude   Sweden. Apr 09 2007 01:34. Posts 8623

That's intressting. But isn't it harder to practice in NL?


Floofy   Canada. Apr 09 2007 01:47. Posts 8708

its still reasonably doable.

Say u got AA bet flop(in pos), then bet turn, and he check raise all in on like 238J

u dont know if u should call. doing a call % that make his play -ev as a bluff is a good idea

james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;(Last edit: 09/04/2007 01:50

DustySwedeDude   Sweden. Apr 09 2007 02:24. Posts 8623

Yea, I guess it's doable in somewhat big pots but it seems harder to do vs people who likes to 2nd barrel and such often. But that maybe just increase varaiance?


Jelle   Belgium. Apr 09 2007 03:13. Posts 3476

gotta attack the opponent's leaks instead of making sure you have none yourself imo

GroT 

Floofy   Canada. Apr 09 2007 03:42. Posts 8708

read my post again, this is when u got no reads and is clueless what to do

james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;( 

Floofy   Canada. Apr 09 2007 03:42. Posts 8708

its better to be 100% sure to be +EV than risk being the -ev one

james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;( 

 



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