|
|
 |
PLO so far |
 |
4
 |
Daut  United States. Aug 27 2007 15:44. Posts 8955 | | |
I've played 5k hands so far but PLO has not been going as well as I had hoped. I think im running under average but there is definitely lots of room for improvement and im taking full responsibility for not having better results. Here are my stats so far at 1/2:
I think I'm making a few mistakes:
1. putting in too much money oop. Should keep pots smaller with hands that dont flop well like really trashy AA
2. putting in too much money in spots i can be drawing very thin. I usually think a flop like 337 is a good flop for AA but its bad to get the money in and be 5%. Should really try to get money in with big draws and hands that have a really small chance of drawing badly.
3. playing less junky double suited hands. these hands work well in heads up pots and reraised pots but in raised multiway pots they are total trash.
4. calling 4bets pre with too many Axxx hands even if they are coordinated. When someone 4bets and im 100bb deep i almost always like to call (unless i have QQxx or non premium KKxx) because the hands i 3bet with usually hit a lot of flops and my opponent is committed to the hand but im not. however, if i have an A in my hand like AKJ9 double suited, i should probably fold unless we're significantly deeper. Just lose way too much equity by having only 3 cards and if for example i have a hand like T975sshh im basically a favorite over AAxx if i flop a pair and a gutshot. that extra equity adds up.
going to go through every interesting pot i won or lost more than 50bb in. Im leaving out a lot of situations where a good portion of my stack goes in with AA preflop or i just flop the nuts with a good hand and get paid off by worse and bad beats with nothing instructional.
first pots i won:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259417
overpair and nut flush draw with some a crappy backdoor straight draw is never in bad shape vs any hand on a non straight or paired flop. this is an easy bet/3bet all in. against top set and a pretty decent wrap/pair im still 33%
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259419
not sure how i feel about this one. the call preflop is fairly loose but i guess ok.
i hit gin on the flop and have to go with it. i like going for the check raise because he will cbet a good percentage of the time and even if hes ahead i have really good equity with the 5 way straight draw/pair.
the turn is a bad card for me, but theres enough money left that i still have fold equity against a lot of hands that might have called the flop. another thing to note is that often times big wraps dont really drop in equity on the turn because all the outs are usually live.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259422
im not really sure how to play KKxx hands out of position. I think fold is probably the best option a lot of times if theres no backup to the kings, but i can definitely see a lot of value in flopping sets cause people will probably not think they are overset or i have top set in a lot of situations. i still think im going to fold these hands more often just cause they are really hard to play postflop without backup. postflop in this hand was standard.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259425
i actually thought for a while on the turn when he shoved. it seemed way too likely he had AA or KK despite his overlimp preflop. I think getting it in here with naked top 2 is horrible and so is calling the flop check raise. I was swayed to a call though because i convinced myself that he didnt have AA or KK enough of the time, and because i also had the shitty flush draw to improve my equity when i was behind.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259429
I definitely should have folded preflop. This is too loose to be raising utg in a 6max game. But whatever.
I flop top pair, gutshot, nut flush draw. The board texture was also really important because its extremely unlikely that someone has a set because 66xx and 44xx are really uncommon hands. So, if someone has 2 pair or a big draw i have great equity, here i was 55% vs 2 pair. Even if they have a set I have pretty decent odds, so im getting this in every time.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259433
i dont know how i feel about him not getting this in on the flop. If i go in against him i probably have top 2 or a set and his equity vs those hands is pretty bad, like 30-35% ish. But at the same time, hes oop and its really hard to play oop, but the way he played this i think the turn is a fold unless im 2 barreling a lot. This makes me realize the power of 2 barreling helping get me paid off and im going to do it a lot more.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259436
against his likely hand of AA, this is a great flop for me. if he has AA with a flush draw im still 51%!!!
pokenum -o qc 9h 8h 7c - ah ac jh 2c -- 7h 6h 2s
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 2s 7h 6h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qc 7c 9h 8h 421 51.34 399 48.66 0 0.00 0.513
Ac 2c Ah Jh 399 48.66 421 51.34 0 0.00 0.487
this is pretty shocking to me. the flop is a clear shove because id still rather get a fold than get it in as a small to 70/30 favorite.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259440
i thought it was really really unlikely kiwi had AA since kamakazi was putting the money in, and since i was getting way over 2:1 odds vs kamakazi with pretty damn good KKxx i decided to isolate. I would have done this same play hands like JT98, KJT9, 7654, and probably even double pairs, hands that do pretty well against AA in showdown. I would not do this with AJT9 or bad KK/QQ type hands that do poorly against AA.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259442
It seems obvious this player has likely a straight but maybe 2pair on the turn, so really just checking if i can call this profitably. Lets say i have 3 live jacks and my spades are live. so thats 12 outs, and hes almost probably calling off the last bit on the river, still pretty borderline because he might fold. If my spades arent live obviously this is horrible. I should fold the turn for sure.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259446
with a million missed draws on board it seemed like i should call this mainly because i didnt think there were a lot of possible hands in his range he would value bet this hard besides TTxx, T7.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259447
i just called the flop because of kingkong's overcall. since i have the nut flush draw and there are no likely straight draws on board, i was worried he had 2 pair and wouldnt fold. when i turn top 2 to go along with my flush draw, i decided to just jam to prevent people from checking behind cause there are now a lot of bad cards that can create a lot of straights.
hands i lost:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259452
interesting that the QJT9 was a favorite preflop because we both had AA.
i jammed pre thinking i could possibly get babies out and because i had two possible flush draws with my aces even though the cards were garbage backup. i dont think theres enough room left to fold if i didnt hit this flop, arguing for maybe playing it a bit slower preflop, but luckily i did and got it in as a favorite.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259454
was pretty certain this player had AAxx and a flush draw when he raised me. But it still looks like i have enough of a draw to go with it because of my pair and because i dont lose outs on my straight draw since all the flush cards give me a straight flush. in fact i was 49.5% on the flop so ill take this all in all day with the dead money. theres no point in flat calling and trying to push him off certain turns because there isnt enough money left, but im going to save this play for a little deeper situation where my opponent and i have 250bb or so.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259456
Reraising preflop is an option but i think flat calling is ok too. I decide to lead out on the flop because its really unlikely that turtlestar will have a draw here, so I think I can narrow his hand range a lot by betting out.
When he calls, I decide its fairly likely he could have AA or a QJT type hand that wanted to see a turn. I bet again to try and force out the possible AA hands and also force out bigger straight draws.
The river actually puts me in a sketchy spot. I decided it was too likely he would hero call me with AA no flush and value bet all in. To my surprise he had a low connected hand and he played this pretty much perfect. I cant decide whether i like how i played this hand on any street and ill probably have to think it over some more before i convince myself which plays are best on each street.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259461
I was trying to rep AA on this board and i thought he would fold a lot of draws similar to mine on the turn. Unfortunately he had the nuts and I had to put in way too much money on a draw that might lose a lot of outs due to multiple flush draws. I think i would like this much much better if the turn was an offsuit 2 that didnt put a second flush draw on board. Here, i have much worse equity against a lot of hands that i get it in vs.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259463
this is either a fold on the turn or a call down. i dont mind calling down because i think he would do this with the naked As also particularly cause he led into me, but i have to put in a lot of money to find out. Also sucks that i have the Js blocking lower flushes. I think if the board paired i was going to rep QQ and shove the river given the amount of money left but thinking about it now im not so sure anymore. i think its ok and could definitely get the A high flush to fold but i like it if the board is QJ more than Q9 because it makes it a little more believable that a set is in my range.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259465
another hand im unsure about the turn action. I think its ok because of the added gutshot but it just seems so likely he has what he ended up having. I guess he could have a lot of Qxxx 1 pair hands that i should be pushing out so its not terrible. Id still like to get the majority of the money in with better than 15% equity. If he shoved the flop I think i have to call with 6 outs worst case and exactly 2:1 odds cause he could definitely have a lot of 987 type hands that i have decent equity vs.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259469
ok so i lied. i had to post one of them. lol omaha
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259470
at the time i thought it was extremely unlikely he had a set and decided since i had 2 extra outs vs 2 pair and the backdoor flush draw i should get it in. However, im still a 2:1 dog (he did block one of my eights). Unsure about this but i think in the future its probably a fold despite having increased equity vs 456 because i block one of the straights with my aces.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259472
dont go broke in an unraised pot applies to omaha also. still have some decent equity but only because all my cards are live. i think i should probably play this slower.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259475
i thought the turn was a great card to bet again because it shuts down a lot of his draws, but at the same time, hes probably shoving a draw on the flop so it seems likely thats what he has, so check fold seems like a better option than it did at the time. meh, this isnt terrible cause im in no way committed to the hand and have a decent chance to take it down but still unlikely for him to have any reasonable draw.
Also just realized hes now folding a lot of 1 pair kings, so i like it again 
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259478
Gee i wonder what he has. fold the river you moron calling station.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259479
one of those spots i mentioned where i dont have very good odds when i get it in. the 2 seems like a good card, but its a 5 way pot and its likely someone had a monster on the flop. eh, i dunno. even if he has trips i still have some extra outs with the flush draw. really tough spot cause check folding the river seems so horrible but bet/calling is not good either.
Wow, long post. I'm ready to start playing again and ill post more updates when i get 10-15k hands in.
|
|
| NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut | |
|
| 1
 |
Silver_nz New Zealand. Aug 27 2007 16:55. Posts 5647 | | |
wow thanks, when i feel like picking up PLO i'll just have to read this blog post 
gl |
|
| 1
 |
Hoolz_1907 United Kingdom. Aug 27 2007 20:45. Posts 2791 | | |
Very interesting hands in there with good analyses, i've been playing PLO for almost a year on several stakes up to 2/4 and some 3/6 but I definately still have leaks/flaws in my plo game especially points 1 and 3 you mention at the top of the post.
"dont go broke in an unraised pot applies to omaha also. still have some decent equity but only because all my cards are live. i think i should probably play this slower." http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/259472
Happens to me a lot and yes this should be played slower imho since you will hardly ever find someone getting it in worse than your hand here. Sure there are fish in PLO as well but you will most likely never find yourself up against a flushdraw or a 9 there. Not to mention the fact you're drawing to 1out vs 99xx. Most of the times I like to see if I can hit a bigger fullhouse sort of cheaply, this does sound kinda fishy but if you happen to hit, a "59" will still get it in but now drawing dead |
|
| Look at his hand and equities, what do you expect him to have here, uno cards? - TianYuan | |
|
| 1 | |
just read your other blog post,
both adz124 and yellowsub86 are scum and douchebags.
not so much adz probably as he just annoys me by talking shit, but yellowsub once tried to scam me out of 5k in a HU sng, blinded me out of it while we were playing a seperate one without letting me know i was sitting out. He gave the $ back (500 less than he owed) about a week later after steve (pooruser) vouched that i was a good guy i believe.
Fucking douchebags. |
|
| 1 | |
had to say that, but..
i'm also sorta learning PLO, seems pretty fun but I haven't put too much quality time into it.
i think mainly im too loose preflop/aggro preflop (i play like 40/30)
|
|
| |
|
|
 Poker Streams | |
|
Contact Users: 711 Active, 1 Logged in - Time: 18:53
