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bigbb33 Canada. Dec 23 2007 09:31. Posts 3679

On like a 6 buyin downswing or so, and I feel like shit. Not because I'm losing money, but because I'm losing badly. Jesus fucking christ, never, ever, bluff, Mr. Bigbb33, at 50nl. People call with so much shit, makes it pointless.

I've tried some big river bluffs lately when I thought my opponent was weak: everything they shoved over. Wow. Why do I even try. Whenever I do get it in well, of course, they hit some fucking miracle outer and I
lose anyway.

I tilt really easily vs my bad play. Bad beats are less of a big deal, but jesus does (what I consider) bad play fuck me over. My bad play.

Okay, time to learn something from this:

1. Whenever I have a big hand, play it with the same timings as when I am bluffing in this downswing. I really think timings are v important at 50nl, because retards make reads based on it. Timing down 20 seconds before raising the river with air = insta called by crap. Lesson: time down 20 seconds before raising the river with the nuts and get paid.

2. STOP FUCKING BLUFFING against people who aren't fucking geniuses. This always confuses me. I feel like if I never bluff I'll never get paid, but then everytime I bluff they are shoving it in, ie I shouldn't bluff. I think I'm gonna nit it up hard on turn/river raises as bluffs and see what happens, combined with using really long timings before betting for value. Hopefully this will pay.

3. Stop looking at cashier. Ever.

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I'm gonna make this into a week long challenge, actually. Rules are gonna be pretty basic, nothing stringent.

1. No big turn/river raises as bluffs unless I have a very good reason to do so. Has to be 100% good read to make the bluff.
2. Use my old bluff timings as value bet timings vs bad players. Against people who might pick up on this, do whatever.
3. Don't look at cashier except at end of week.
4. Play hands nigga.

Will report back with results.

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they see me trollin, they hatin

Last edit: 23/12/2007 09:32

Logiabs~ Colombia. Dec 23 2007 09:38. Posts 9133

no point in bluffing when u have little fold equity agaisnt them..
that was one of my main problems when i was in nl50
although try to do some 2 barrels agaisnt regular after a cbet if you think they put u in overcards and they likely called with a pp, or the turn chnged much

i cant believe you think there are timing tells at nl50, there aren't sir, i always act pretty fast.

Last edit: 23/12/2007 09:38

bigbb33 Canada. Dec 23 2007 09:42. Posts 3679

On December 23 2007 08:38 Logiabs~ wrote:
no point in bluffing when u have little fold equity agaisnt them..
that was one of my main problems when i was in nl50
although try to do some 2 barrels agaisnt regular after a cbet if you think they put u in overcards and they likely called with a pp, or the turn chnged much

i cant believe you think there are timing tells at nl50, there aren't sir, i always act pretty fast.

There are

A) Tons of timing tells from other people
B) Other people think they have timing tells too, esp with raises on rivers etc.

I'm also not talking about 2 barreling, etc: i'm pretty good at timings those. I'm talking about bluff raising the river for like half a buyin etc, really going with a read when I think he's weak. Has not been paying off.

they see me trollin, they hatin

Last edit: 23/12/2007 09:43

Kapol Poland. Dec 23 2007 09:43. Posts 4696

On December 23 2007 08:31 bigbb33 wrote:
3. Stop looking at cashier. Ever.

This thing was very important in my case. It increased my win rate a lot.

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Logiabs~ Colombia. Dec 23 2007 09:44. Posts 9133

On December 23 2007 08:42 bigbb33 wrote:

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On December 23 2007 08:38 Logiabs~ wrote:
no point in bluffing when u have little fold equity agaisnt them..
that was one of my main problems when i was in nl50
although try to do some 2 barrels agaisnt regular after a cbet if you think they put u in overcards and they likely called with a pp, or the turn chnged much

i cant believe you think there are timing tells at nl50, there aren't sir, i always act pretty fast.

There are

A) Tons of timing tells from other people
B) Other people think they have timing tells too, esp with raises on rivers etc.

I'm also not talking about 2 barreling, etc: i'm pretty good at timings those. I'm talking about bluff raising the river for like half a buyin etc, really going with a read when I think he's weak. Has not been paying off.

Oh yah u can get some info about other ppl timing tells.
Yah looking at cashier or PT is always pretty bad... makes you play a lot worse when u are losing

SakiSaki

Sweden. Dec 23 2007 09:50. Posts 9685

Timing tells are more common on lower stakes wtf are you talking about logia?

what wackass site is this nigga?

DaEm0niCuS United States. Dec 23 2007 10:27. Posts 3292

6 buys is not a downswing, its standard variance.

nl50 is not about bluffing its about value betting well. As is all stakes where the majority of the players are fish.

There are definitely timing tells at nl50. Most humans(bad poker players) view taking a long time as hesitation and weakness. The trick is to not act too fast or too slow, 2-4 seconds is good vs stupid fish if your looking for a fold. That said you want to be semi bluffing with draws, or at the very least over cards, the majority of the time. Or you want to be bluffing scare cards.

Perhaps you should try playing more tables, it keeps you busy which helps keep you in line.

bigbb33 Canada. Dec 23 2007 10:42. Posts 3679

On December 23 2007 09:27 DaEm0niCuS wrote:
6 buys is not a downswing, its standard variance.

nl50 is not about bluffing its about value betting well. As is all stakes where the majority of the players are fish.

There are definitely timing tells at nl50. Most humans(bad poker players) view taking a long time as hesitation and weakness. The trick is to not act too fast or too slow, 2-4 seconds is good vs stupid fish if your looking for a fold. That said you want to be semi bluffing with draws, or at the very least over cards, the majority of the time. Or you want to be bluffing scare cards.

Perhaps you should try playing more tables, it keeps you busy which helps keep you in line.

It's def a lot of bad play than just variance, though a lot of the plays that I think are bad are probably a lot closer to =ev than I think and just are running bad. Still I think I'm making mistakes.

I think there are some definite patterns in setting up my own timing tells, though (ie what they view as timing tells from my actions): I think a quick raise, like 2-3 seconds, looks strong. I really think that a very long time before raising in a place that looks like either nuts/bluff gets interpreted as a bluff way too often.

they see me trollin, they hatin

Last edit: 23/12/2007 10:44

Logiabs~ Colombia. Dec 23 2007 11:07. Posts 9133

On December 23 2007 08:50 SakiSaki wrote:
Timing tells are more common on lower stakes wtf are you talking about logia?

i do not rely or pay attetion much to them, ill try now tho