6max VS durrrr

FullTiltPoker Game #5016892700: Table Panorama (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:55:19 ET - 2008/01/27
Seat 1: Mikeopoly ($69.95)
Seat 2: DrewB2 ($59.35)
Seat 3: Hero ($50)
Seat 4: kalleblomquist ($50)
Seat 5: gr8tilt ($147.75)
Seat 6: ic0n1k ($48.50)
Hero posts the small blind of $0.25
kalleblomquist posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #2

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
gr8tilt folds
ic0n1k has 15 seconds left to act
ic0n1k stands up
ic0n1k has timed out
ic0n1k folds
Mikeopoly folds
DrewB2 raises to $1.65
Hero raises to $6
TAGGAT sits down
kalleblomquist folds
TAGGAT adds $50
DrewB2 calls $4.35

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $12.50)

   
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero bets $8.50
DrewB2 has 15 seconds left to act
DrewB2 raises to $17
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero raises to $36
DrewB2 raises to $53.35, and is all in
Hero calls $8, and is all in
DrewB2 shows
Hero shows
Uncalled bet of $9.35 returned to DrewB2

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $100.50)

   

River (Pot : $100.50)

   
DrewB2 shows a pair of Kings
Hero shows King Jack high
DrewB2 wins the pot ($97.50) with a pair of Kings
Hero adds $50

Summary
Total pot $100.50 | Rake $3
Board:  
Seat 1: Mikeopoly didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: DrewB2 (button) showed and won ($97.50) with a pair of Kings
Seat 3: Hero (small blind) showed and lost with King Jack high
Seat 4: kalleblomquist (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: gr8tilt didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: ic0n1k didn't bet (folded)

0 votes

dont bluff people who won't fold K high -.-

Dont 3 bet with J4suited against 65/42s

On January 27 2008 11:15 KrappyKonnect wrote: Dont 3 bet with J4suited against 65/42s

Then he snap folds when I 3bet him with QQ...

"lesson: BLUFF BIGGER OR IN A DIFFERENT WAY when people are getting allin with king high against you"

lol dude wtf, most things about this post are very stupid, re read plz

On January 27 2008 11:24 Ket wrote: "lesson: BLUFF BIGGER OR IN A DIFFERENT WAY when people are getting allin with king high against you"

I meant if I were to be on a separate table tomorrow and the same sit. came up against a diff guy who was playing the exact way. I didn't know he was getting it in with K high when I made this play, so I can't use that info to decide what I should have done in that particular hand: that's the def. of results oriented thinking.

On January 27 2008 11:34 locoo wrote: lol dude wtf, most things about this post are very stupid, re read plz

Okay well I want to improve, what do you suggest I do? Fold until I get a hand and then 3bet? He will insta snap fold to my 3bet if I do that. I really don't know what to do: I can't be a super nit and wait for hands because even retards at 50nl are smart enough to fold to the guy who never raises, but then I don't want to be in ugly situations like this one vs a guy who is probably a retard with a weak hand... This has actually always been a big problem for me, I can't find the balance between 'waiting for a hand vs retards' and 'giving enough action so they won't fold to any aggression from me when I do have a hand'. I don't know how to balance that, and YES, retarded guys will fold to you if you haven't done anything and then suddenly bet/raise, even at 50nl.

Serious suggestions plz.

On January 27 2008 11:24 Ket wrote: "lesson: BLUFF BIGGER OR IN A DIFFERENT WAY when people are getting allin with king high against you"

Wtf should I do then, wait for a hand to 3bet then watch them insta fold to it? I have no idea how to balance out the 'don't play crap hands vs ppl who are retards' and the 'you have to give action to get action' realities, and I end up making some play like I did in this hand or I end up watching 65/42 ppl snap fold to my 3bet when I have AA or snap fold to my flop cbet because 'thats the guy who never bets or raises'. fasdfsdafsfsda give me suggestions plz

Honestly I think your whole mindset is wrong. OK, so there's a huge huge fish at your table and you have position on him. That doesnt' mean that it's your God-given right to stack him left and right. You are simply putting yourself in a largely long-term +EV situation and the desire to take him RIGHT NOW caused you to force the action and end up 3 betting a reraised pot with J high. Have you seen him fold after he minraises in a reraised pot? Even if you have, you will have so many more +EV opportunities to take his money than this.

So what do you do against this guy? Reraise any decent hand for value. AA-77, AK-AT, KQ. Add hands to this range as you see fit. Call a wide range of speculative hands in position. You want to take flops and slaughter him with your positional advantage right? Observe when he folds after he raises preflop, and adjust accordingly. Obviously if he never folds then that makes your job quite easy.

On January 27 2008 12:58 tachyonweb wrote: Honestly I think your whole mindset is wrong. OK, so there's a huge huge fish at your table and you have position on him. That doesnt' mean that it's your God-given right to stack him left and right. You are simply putting yourself in a largely long-term +EV situation and the desire to take him RIGHT NOW caused you to force the action and end up 3 betting a reraised pot with J high. Have you seen him fold after he minraises in a reraised pot? Even if you have, you will have so many more +EV opportunities to take his money than this. So what do you do against this guy? Reraise any decent hand for value. AA-77, AK-AT, KQ. Add hands to this range as you see fit. Call a wide range of speculative hands in position. You want to take flops and slaughter him with your positional advantage right? Observe when he folds after he raises preflop, and adjust accordingly. Obviously if he never folds then that makes your job quite easy.

Flop play is actually not as bad as it seems, there is a lot of history here, i was like 80% certain he had air... + I have a backdoor fd + gutshot + maybe overcard if I get called. I just wasn't expecting him to look me up with K high obv.

I totally agree with your post, though. It was enlightening in the mindset of thinking "I'm long term +ev" vs "lets stack this 65/42 guy who opens nearly any 2"

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