meh...fuck poker

Move up where the respect your bets.

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I hate donks who don't know how to play and make blogs about it

but I love the rest of them

On June 17 2008 19:10 Loco wrote: I hate donks who don't know how to play and make blogs about it but I love the rest of them

Are you kidding? I love those blogs, especially when they talk about bad beats

On June 17 2008 19:10 Loco wrote: I hate donks who don't know how to play and make blogs about it but I love the rest of them

cmon...be nice

On June 17 2008 19:11 tilted fish wrote: Show nested quote + On June 17 2008 19:10 Loco wrote: I hate donks who don't know how to play and make blogs about it but I love the rest of them Are you kidding? I love those blogs, especially when they talk about bad beats

okok I admit it

I have a love-hate relationship with them

lol... and yeah dont bluff ever >_<

"you hate donks who cannot fold" - this is a joke, right? If you don't know how to adapt to this, you're a donk yourself. Simply don't bluff, wait for hands and v-bet them to death.

Lol, at trying to represent big hands and thinking you're a smart, bluffing player. Simply don't.

On June 18 2008 00:35 Royal_Rumble wrote: "you hate donks who cannot fold" - this is a joke, right? If you don't know how to adapt to this, you're a donk yourself.

100% agree

OP pwns himself in the very first sentence
But well , didnt we all be newb like that and make silly statements in the beginning of our poker career ?

- poker is rigged ( well this newb statements is true to some points imo FTP in general and pokerstars SNGS are indeed rigged ^^, but rest is fine.
- I never get hands ! ( typical newb statements from players who play 100-300 hands sessions . ROFL
- Fish never folds and always sucks out on river ( well u obviously havent learned in which spots u should simply check/fold or bet/fold)
etc ....

I was teh same some months ago ...
I was like wtf how can this newb call here i hate him

now i am :
YAY how can he be so newb and call here -> i love him

you play party poker 10nl? so you must be playing fr because there is no 6-max at that level.
just a piece of advice from someone who's beating it @ 15ptbb lately, try to join only the tables with fish because there are ALOT of TA regs (you need to datamine to do this, look on 2+2: safemine, my closetable script & use spadeeye)
what i do is cbet alot, no 2barrels!, try not to get stacked by regs and ALWAYS raise good hands, that means just play ABC, try to isolate the donks at the table (you picked before you sat down) and make them pay (only when you have a very good hand yourself because they don't fold)
also, the best fr advice i ever read somewhere:
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aim to play about 15/13, with attention to steal of 50%. blind stealing is one of the most important concepts of full ring. and raising UTG with a wider range then the other EP's is ok too since u will get a ton of respect there. only true monster hands will fight back. and dont play AK for stacks unless you have history with the other guy (preflop i mean). and use pahud as much as u can. u dont have enough playing time with each person to make good in depth notes that u use often enough. so pahud is the best alternative to get good reads
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difference between a good and a bad table:
bad table

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good table:

On June 18 2008 02:08 starfritz wrote: + Show Spoiler + you play party poker 10nl? so you must be playing fr because there is no 6-max at that level. just a piece of advice from someone who's beating it @ 15ptbb lately, try to join only the tables with fish because there are ALOT of TA regs (you need to datamine to do this, look on 2+2: safemine, my closetable script & use spadeeye) what i do is cbet alot, no 2barrels!, try not to get stacked by regs and ALWAYS raise good hands, that means just play ABC, try to isolate the donks at the table (you picked before you sat down) and make them pay (only when you have a very good hand yourself because they don't fold) also, the best fr advice i ever read somewhere: --------------------------------------- aim to play about 15/13, with attention to steal of 50%. blind stealing is one of the most important concepts of full ring. and raising UTG with a wider range then the other EP's is ok too since u will get a ton of respect there. only true monster hands will fight back. and dont play AK for stacks unless you have history with the other guy (preflop i mean). and use pahud as much as u can. u dont have enough playing time with each person to make good in depth notes that u use often enough. so pahud is the best alternative to get good reads --------------------------------------- difference between a good and a bad table: bad table - good table:

thank you! :D

have you moved up already?

On June 18 2008 01:13 PplusAD wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2008 00:35 Royal_Rumble wrote: "you hate donks who cannot fold" - this is a joke, right? If you don't know how to adapt to this, you're a donk yourself. 100% agree OP pwns himself in the very first sentence But well , didnt we all be newb like that and make silly statements in the beginning of our poker career ? - poker is rigged ( well this newb statements is true to some points imo FTP in general and pokerstars SNGS are indeed rigged ^^, but rest is fine. - I never get hands ! ( typical newb statements from players who play 100-300 hands sessions . ROFL - Fish never folds and always sucks out on river ( well u obviously havent learned in which spots u should simply check/fold or bet/fold) etc .... I was teh same some months ago ... I was like wtf how can this newb call here i hate him now i am : YAY how can he be so newb and call here -> i love him

A+

On June 18 2008 04:48 killThemDonks wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2008 02:08 starfritz wrote: + Show Spoiler + you play party poker 10nl? so you must be playing fr because there is no 6-max at that level. just a piece of advice from someone who's beating it @ 15ptbb lately, try to join only the tables with fish because there are ALOT of TA regs (you need to datamine to do this, look on 2+2: safemine, my closetable script & use spadeeye) what i do is cbet alot, no 2barrels!, try not to get stacked by regs and ALWAYS raise good hands, that means just play ABC, try to isolate the donks at the table (you picked before you sat down) and make them pay (only when you have a very good hand yourself because they don't fold) also, the best fr advice i ever read somewhere: --------------------------------------- aim to play about 15/13, with attention to steal of 50%. blind stealing is one of the most important concepts of full ring. and raising UTG with a wider range then the other EP's is ok too since u will get a ton of respect there. only true monster hands will fight back. and dont play AK for stacks unless you have history with the other guy (preflop i mean). and use pahud as much as u can. u dont have enough playing time with each person to make good in depth notes that u use often enough. so pahud is the best alternative to get good reads --------------------------------------- difference between a good and a bad table: bad table - good table: thank you! :D have you moved up already?

no, stack 390 now and i want 300 more before i move up, made +-200 in the last two weeks (5k hands) after 3 months of breakeven
and i got a dayjob...
also, the turning point was when i started opening 6 tables instead of 4 tables, guess this makes a difference because you play less hands?

On June 18 2008 05:36 starfritz wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2008 04:48 killThemDonks wrote:   On June 18 2008 02:08 starfritz wrote: + Show Spoiler + you play party poker 10nl? so you must be playing fr because there is no 6-max at that level. just a piece of advice from someone who's beating it @ 15ptbb lately, try to join only the tables with fish because there are ALOT of TA regs (you need to datamine to do this, look on 2+2: safemine, my closetable script & use spadeeye) what i do is cbet alot, no 2barrels!, try not to get stacked by regs and ALWAYS raise good hands, that means just play ABC, try to isolate the donks at the table (you picked before you sat down) and make them pay (only when you have a very good hand yourself because they don't fold) also, the best fr advice i ever read somewhere: --------------------------------------- aim to play about 15/13, with attention to steal of 50%. blind stealing is one of the most important concepts of full ring. and raising UTG with a wider range then the other EP's is ok too since u will get a ton of respect there. only true monster hands will fight back. and dont play AK for stacks unless you have history with the other guy (preflop i mean). and use pahud as much as u can. u dont have enough playing time with each person to make good in depth notes that u use often enough. so pahud is the best alternative to get good reads --------------------------------------- difference between a good and a bad table: bad table - good table: thank you! :D have you moved up already? no, stack 390 now and i want 300 more before i move up, made +-200 in the last two weeks (5k hands) after 3 months of breakeven and i got a dayjob... also, the turning point was when i started opening 6 tables instead of 4 tables, guess this makes a difference because you play less hands?

i was stacked at 380 until my horrible day yesterday. think i will take a shot at 25 nl when i hit 550.

ye...i find when i play one table..i play horribly (i probably am a horrible player! ) ..but multitabling forces you to tighten your range...so ye..i guess thats why.

200 in 5k hands is sick good!

On June 18 2008 05:50 killThemDonks wrote: 200 in 5k hands is sick good!

no its sick luck ....
20 buy ins in 5k hands is running good ...
even if u have a fucking big edge this is nowhere doable without luck and heater

Also i think some of his tipps were really bad and sound like he doesnt have a real plan himself
wider range UTG since u get more respect ? very bad tipp
datamining on Nl10 to avoid sharks ? lol u srs ?
playing more tables made his breakthrough ? ( ure just on a heater and havent figured it out yet is my guess)
isolating on NL10 but only continue with very good hands ? ( whats teh point in isolating weak players with a wide range when u only continue when u hit something good ? furthermore isolating on Nl10 is close to impossible with all the preflop calling stations)

And i am pretty sure my poker skillz are by far superior to starfritzs understanding of poker.

what u should do is

play tight and value bet hard ure strong hands...( 2pair , sets , straights , flushes etc)
stay disciplined and concentrated all time -> fold medium hands when u face strong resistance
dont try to win pots by bluffing ! In fact never bluff on Nl10...
Always think if ure hand beats enough villian hands to continue on the given board ...
try to play in position !

On June 18 2008 07:46 PplusAD wrote: + Show Spoiler + Show nested quote + On June 18 2008 05:50 killThemDonks wrote: 200 in 5k hands is sick good! no its sick luck .... 20 buy ins in 5k hands is running good ... even if u have a fucking big edge this is nowhere doable without luck and heater Also i think some of his tipps were really bad and sound like he doesnt have a real plan himself wider range UTG since u get more respect ? very bad tipp datamining on Nl10 to avoid sharks ? lol u srs ? playing more tables made his breakthrough ? ( ure just on a heater and havent figured it out yet is my guess) isolating on NL10 but only continue with very good hands ? ( whats teh point in isolating weak players with a wide range when u only continue when u hit something good ? furthermore isolating on Nl10 is close to impossible with all the preflop calling stations) And i am pretty sure my poker skillz are by far superior to starfritzs understanding of poker. what u should do is play tight and value bet hard ure strong hands...( 2pair , sets , straights , flushes etc) stay disciplined and concentrated all time -> fold medium hands when u face strong resistance dont try to win pots by bluffing ! In fact never bluff on Nl10... Always think if ure hand beats enough villian hands to continue on the given board ... try to play in position !

thanks for the advice. much appreciated

yup...i agree attempting to bluff on NL 10 is pointless..stations will call all the way with middle pair and take your buy in ez.

its just that i feel so ...powerless..when im waiting on good hands or good draws to play back at people.

On June 18 2008 07:46 PplusAD wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2008 05:50 killThemDonks wrote: 200 in 5k hands is sick good! no its sick luck .... 20 buy ins in 5k hands is running good ... even if u have a fucking big edge this is nowhere doable without luck and heater Also i think some of his tipps were really bad and sound like he doesnt have a real plan himself wider range UTG since u get more respect ? very bad tipp datamining on Nl10 to avoid sharks ? lol u srs ? playing more tables made his breakthrough ? ( ure just on a heater and havent figured it out yet is my guess) isolating on NL10 but only continue with very good hands ? ( whats teh point in isolating weak players with a wide range when u only continue when u hit something good ? furthermore isolating on Nl10 is close to impossible with all the preflop calling stations) And i am pretty sure my poker skillz are by far superior to starfritzs understanding of poker. what u should do is play tight and value bet hard ure strong hands...( 2pair , sets , straights , flushes etc) stay disciplined and concentrated all time -> fold medium hands when u face strong resistance dont try to win pots by bluffing ! In fact never bluff on Nl10... Always think if ure hand beats enough villian hands to continue on the given board ... try to play in position !

you are probably totally right, after all, you play 100nl and i'm nowhere near that!
the wider range utg was a c/p from what someone else said (as stated)
the datamining is serious and works (see pics, how obvious can it be?)
i said that things are going uphill after opening 6 tables, not that that IS the cause, probably just a coincidence
ofc isolate AND continue but only with good hands to start off with, the 70vpip who first limped oop wil call your raise, the rest wil probably fold...
anyway, that was the last time i tried to help anyone, gl

edit: removed the personal childish stuff, sorry there

oooh, starfritz, that was the last time you tried to help someone? That is really a hard loss, we will all shed some tears here. PPlusAD is not looking gay and what he is looking like has nothing at all to do with what we are talking about, seems like your poker arguments are running out and now you get personal.
You're running at 15BB after breaking even 3months? sounds like heater to me.
op should rather listen to people who have accomplished a little bit more.