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HighTimes   Lithuania. Jun 24 2008 08:30. Posts 76
...microstakes and not doing well... It seems that everybody is playing by the rules of Grot's guide. So I usually encounter these situations:
let's say I raise with TT and in the end villian wins with QQ or KK or something
raising with low pair is out of question... haven't won even once
and when i finally get good pair and raise, all of them fold...

I know i just started (like week ago) but it seems that I'm stuck in one place, pressing the fold button... And if I don't - I end up like this:

(nick: StonedRobot, dunno how do you get that Hero thingy)
Submitted by : HighTimes

Starting a new hand (#1040887000)
Starting a new hand (#1040887000)
TheProfessionnal posts Small Blind $0.01
dancam1977 posts Big Blind $0.02

Holecards
Your cardsKhAc
StonedRobot raises to $0.08
EllasVoelz folds
grubycygan007 folds
lore33 folds
woyanro folds
dimcik folds
CaeruleusFlos folds
TheProfessionnal calls $0.07
dancam1977 calls $0.06
Dealing FlopKs4h5h
TheProfessionnal bets $0.24
dancam1977 folds
StonedRobot raises to $1.09
TheProfessionnal goes All-in $0.69
Dealing TurnKs4h5h7s
Dealing RiverKs4h5h7s4s
TheProfessionnal shows Straight6s8c
StonedRobot shows Two PairKhAc
StonedRobot wins with Two Pair4h4sKhKsAc $0.16
StonedRobot wins with Two Pair4h4sKhKsAc $0.16
$0.16 returned to StonedRobot
$0.16 returned to StonedRobot
TheProfessionnal wins with Straight4h5h6s7s8c $2
TheProfessionnal wins with Straight4h5h6s7s8c $2



For now i stick to 25/50 limit - somehow im able to deal better with that... At least can rebuild my stack for the damned no limit.

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TianYuan    Korea (South). Jun 24 2008 09:29. Posts 6817

Ehhh when you say 25/50 limit I hope you mean .25/.50 and not actually 25/50 -.-??

Anyway, you got it in ahead and lost. You'll get it in ahead many many many times and lose many many many many times.

But you'll win even more often. And sometimes you'll get it in behind and win. C'est la vie~

Here's a post I thought was really good:

  Here's your problem. You don't have the fortitude, nor bankroll, nor temperment, to be a casino. A casino is a big ol' building, where people's dreams might possibly come true. Especially if you own the building.

Casinos get rich, expand a whole city, and get richer, by offering bets where the casino has a two or three percent advantage. But the bets have to be offered, have to be wagered, a million times. Roulette, for instance: red or black, odd or even, high or low, the house has a 5.25% advantage on all but one bet on the layout.

Will the customer occasionally have a streak? Of course. A full third of the customers that evening will actually have a winning night. The casino doesn't care. You, of course, would be willing to walk in front of a truck. Will one drunken guy actually make several thousand dollars, having started with twenty bucks? Of course. The casino doesn't care. You, by the way, will not even walk out looking for the truck, you will put a bullet in your brain, right there at the table. The casino is right, and you are not right. "correct mathmatically" might be a better term than "right".

You think, apparently, that when you have a winning hand, and the 'customer' is drawing to a flush on the river, You've Got Him Nailed. You don't. You have only created a situation where you have four times the advantage that a casino has. You have a situation where it's 80-20 that you're going to win.

Now I want you to work really, really hard on this, because you haven't yet. If it's 80-20 for you, how many times out of a hundred can we predict that the 'customer' will hit his flush? The answer is twenty times out of a hundred. ('Grab that man. Don't let him dash toward the highway'.)

Can the 'customer' have a streak of winners? You bet he can. ('Grab that revolver'). He might hit several in a row.

Why do you care? (Because you're an idiot). No, it's because you haven't given it the appropriate amount of thought, and because you're not bankrolled well, and because you care about the outcome, and you should not care.

You should have enough in your bankroll that you can offer the 'customer' his flush draw about a hundred times a day. You want him (assuming he's dumb enough: but you're right, there are millions of 'em) to call your bet, and shoot for his flush draw. 80-20 in your favor, if he's betting on the river, 60-40 in your favor if he's betting on the turn (and, you get to charge him MORE for the river, if he's not all in).

If he wins his bet, and you're smart enough to be a casino, you should comp him: buy him a few drinks, compliment that ugly date he brought with him, buy him dinner if you have to, but keep him right there, making his bet over, and over, again.

But not you: you are involved. You are worried. You are so upset that he won one, or ten, of those bets. But the fact is, if that happens a thousand times (that bet where you are 80-20), you will be a rich man. You should be grateful, when you have put the 'customer' in a postion where you offer an 80-20 proposition, and he takes you up on it.

Here's what you should do: change your attitude. Play standard poker. Lose your emotion. You don't care about this bet, or the next one. You just want the guy to keep playing, if he's going to keep playing at the odds you're offering. Charge him for his longshot bet. He'll pay? He'll go for it? OUTSTANDING.......

Grind it out. (They call it that, for a reason). Lose your personal involvement with one hand, or one session. If you're playing right, the money, in smaller amounts, will roll in. (Not in larger amounts: you're not entitled to larger amounts. When your opponent bets his flush draw and loses, you didn't win the whole amount. You won the whole amount LESS the fact that one out of five times you're going to lose, and thus give some back. But believe me, there will be plenty left over.)

Quit caring about your results. Play standard poker. If you're doing it right, the money will roll in.

Play standard poker. If you're doing it right, you're offering the customer bets where your advantage is four times that which built Las Vegas. Do it all day long. All week long. All year long. Grind it out.


- Abominable
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=4470459&postcount=15

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

HighTimes   Lithuania. Jun 24 2008 09:49. Posts 76

thanks TianYuan, inspiring words.
The only thing I'm worried when playing is my short bankroll (50$ promotion), so when I lose buy-in with AA all-in to river-draw, I get really sad lol

Limit poker helps me controling these things for now, so i don't go -10 buy-ins and be out of my bankroll...

btw, another suck-out to an unreal hand:

Submitted by : HighTimes


Starting a new hand (#1041016063)
Shishok1 posts Small Blind $0.10
LuckyKulk posts Big Blind $0.25

Holecards
Your cardsTcTs
ja13 folds
StonedRobot raises to $0.50
lxn810902 calls $0.50
Damit8855: come on lets play
sisinta calls $0.50
Damit8855 calls $0.50
Siami333 folds
oldskull folds
Shishok1 folds
LuckyKulk calls $0.25
Dealing Flop9s2dAh
LuckyKulk checks
StonedRobot bets $0.25
lxn810902 calls $0.25
sisinta calls $0.25
Damit8855 calls $0.25
LuckyKulk folds
Dealing Turn9s2dAhAs
StonedRobot bets $0.50
lxn810902 calls $0.50
sisinta calls $0.50
Damit8855 folds
Dealing River9s2dAhAsAc
StonedRobot bets $0.50
lxn810902 raises to $1
sisinta folds
StonedRobot calls $0.50
lxn810902 shows Four of a kindAdQh
lxn810902 wins with Four of a kindQhAdAhAsAc $6.75


TianYuan    Korea (South). Jun 24 2008 10:14. Posts 6817

Hm that's not a suckout
It's pretty ouch tho!

Playing limit with a short roll is probably not a bad choice tho.

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

 



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