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k2o4   United States. Jul 24 2008 15:17. Posts 4803
Does McCain have to say before people start realizing he's either an idiot, a liar, or senile?

First he gets the time line in Iraq wrong by saying that the surge BEGAN the Anbar Awakening (even though the awakening happened 6 months before the surge), and then in the same interview he says that Iraq was the first major conflict after 9/11... as if Afghanistan DIDN'T FUCKING EXIST! And he is supposed to be a foreign policy expert? I mean he's saying lot's of little stupid shit which I generally forgive, things like saying Iraq and Pakistan border each other. But there's just so much of it in the last month that it gets harder and harder to dismiss.

McCain Forgets Afghanistan:
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McCain mixes up Surge Time Line
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  Kate Couric: Senator McCain, Senator Obama says, while the increased number of US troops contributed to increased security in Iraq, he also credits the Sunni awakening and the Shiite government going after militias. And says that there might have been improved security even without the surge. What's your response to that?

McCain: I don't know how you respond to something that is as -- such a false depiction of what actually happened. Colonel McFarlane [phonetic] was contacted by one of the major Sunni sheiks. Because of the surge we were able to go out and protect that sheik and others. And it began the Anbar awakening. I mean, that's just a matter of history. Thanks to General Petraeus, our leadership, and the sacrifice of brave young Americans. I mean, to deny that their sacrifice didn't make possible the success of the surge in Iraq, I think, does a great disservice to young men and women who are serving and have sacrificed.



I'm too lazy right now but I might eventually bother to gather all his idiotic statements into one clean post so people see why I say that he's making a LOT of mistakes right now.

Also, pre-emptive argument right here: I understand the point McCain is trying to make in front of the cheese, but he's not responding to the argument at hand. I agree that the clear and hold and build idea was good. I also think that the surge helped the other efforts that had already started - how could it not? I mean you send more US troops in and I'm sure the violence is gonna go down cause, well, our troops totally pwn. The clear/hold/build strategy was a good one and doing it while the other improvements were going on in Iraq, like the Anbar Awakening, helped those other efforts to succeed.

The point is that McCain said that the SURGE was responsible for BEGINNING the Anbar Awakening, even though the Anbar Awakening started 6 months before the surge was announced. That's where the beef is, not with whether clear/hold/build was good or not.

That's either a lie, a huge mistake (in an area he's an expert in) or huge semantics debate. McCain is now trying to argue that the "SURGE" isn't just the surge of troops that went in as part of the official surge announced by Pres Bush, but that the surge started as soon as the idea of clear/hold/build came along. He's basically trying to take credit for things like the anbar awakening by saying the surge caused them and he supported the surge so he gets credit. I call bullshit.

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Moffa   United States. Jul 24 2008 15:32. Posts 617

I'd quit worrying about it. Everyone in the government is a douche bag and liars. Just stick to playing poker before that's completely taken away from us, life's better that way.

Dangerous, but worth the risk. 

k2o4   United States. Jul 24 2008 15:35. Posts 4803


  On July 24 2008 14:32 Moffa wrote:
I'd quit worrying about it. Everyone in the government is a douche bag and liars. Just stick to playing poker before that's completely taken away from us, life's better that way.



like jyang said, obama supports online poker.

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ggplz   Sweden. Jul 24 2008 15:39. Posts 16784

mccain ios pretty hilarious lol......

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN 

ggplz   Sweden. Jul 24 2008 15:44. Posts 16784

honestly
can u guys sit there and listen to this guys BS for years ?

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN 

Moffa   United States. Jul 24 2008 15:49. Posts 617

Yes, but I really doubt anything is going to happen unfortunately.

Dangerous, but worth the risk. 

Moffa   United States. Jul 24 2008 16:04. Posts 617


  On July 24 2008 14:44 ggplz wrote:
honestly
can u guys sit there and listen to this guys BS for years ?



It doesn't matter to me because he's an asshole and there's nothing I can do about it.
I have my own shit to deal with, I don't need to listen to his lol.

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NerO   United States. Jul 24 2008 17:19. Posts 2402

afghanistan was far from a major conflict


NerO   United States. Jul 24 2008 17:21. Posts 2402

and horray for a supporter of online poker!


nolan   Ireland. Jul 24 2008 17:31. Posts 6205

im not super political, but k4os you definitely have everything pinned down proper.

nice bloggage.

On September 08 2008 10:07 Baal wrote: my head is a gyroscope, your argument is invalid 

k2o4   United States. Jul 24 2008 18:00. Posts 4803


  On July 24 2008 16:19 NerO wrote:
afghanistan was far from a major conflict



Ok, it wasn't world war 2, but in comparison to everything we'd been in involved in it wasn't tiny. What, we won the war in bosnia without putting any troops on the ground. We had 1 fight in mogadishu and pulled out. Afghanistan was by far the biggest military operation that we'd had in years. So in comparison to the history of the world, it wasn't major like vietnam, ww1/ww2/, korea and so on. But in recent times it was big and was the first offensive against the terrorists in the war on terror, and mccain either forgot it or tossed it to the side.

It's just more of this BS of trying to link Iraq to 9/11 when they weren't linked at all. The taliban attacked us. They were based in afghanistan and funded by saudi arabia. Instead of going full steam ahead into afghanistan and kicking the shit outta the taliban and CATCHING osama, we gave it a half assed effort and planned to go to Iraq, withholding resources and troops from afghanistan. So when he just totally dismisses afghanistan like that it pisses me off.

And supposedly obama is actually a pretty good poker player. There's no way in hell we'll ever find out for sure though, especially now that he's the nominee. Imagine Obama on poker after dark, lol. that would be so tight.

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k2o4   United States. Jul 24 2008 18:05. Posts 4803


  On July 24 2008 16:31 nolan wrote:
im not super political, but k4os you definitely have everything pinned down proper.

nice bloggage.



thanks =)

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failsafe   United States. Jul 24 2008 20:02. Posts 1041

haha, i think you're getting wound up about mccain's semantics. most of what you're looking at is shameless political maneuvering. despite sucking in a lot of other fields, mccain almost certainly knows the iraq time line around the surge. it's either a mistake or political semantics.


failsafe   United States. Jul 24 2008 20:04. Posts 1041

i agree with nero. given 9/11's impact on the states' perceptions, afganistan was small relative to the inevitable invasion/subjugation of some nation or another. iraq was a shitty choice, but ah, i couldn't be fucked to deal with american politics from here.


NerO   United States. Jul 24 2008 20:42. Posts 2402

i have 2 cousins that were rangers in afghanistan... all it was was the same thing we've been doing vs terrorists for years in other countries just much more publicized and public and this time we had flags on the hummers instead of having rangers and seals doing it as black ops project. thats why it didnt work... cus we didnt give them anywhere near wut they needed to have a war and it almost cost my cousin his life... n i'll probably be there in about 8months


NerO   United States. Jul 24 2008 20:43. Posts 2402

no tanks no jets m3eans no war


k2o4   United States. Jul 24 2008 22:39. Posts 4803


  On July 24 2008 19:42 NerO wrote:
i have 2 cousins that were rangers in afghanistan... all it was was the same thing we've been doing vs terrorists for years in other countries just much more publicized and public and this time we had flags on the hummers instead of having rangers and seals doing it as black ops project. thats why it didnt work... cus we didnt give them anywhere near wut they needed to have a war and it almost cost my cousin his life... n i'll probably be there in about 8months



Well we agree about that for sure - they fucked up and didn't send enough. Wtf you talking about you being there though???

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NerO   United States. Jul 25 2008 02:08. Posts 2402

i signed a ranger contract ;o gunna be a US Army Ranger


k2o4   United States. Jul 25 2008 13:40. Posts 4803


  On July 25 2008 01:08 NerO wrote:
i signed a ranger contract ;o gunna be a US Army Ranger



crazy mofo. you stay safe now

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NerO   United States. Jul 28 2008 14:49. Posts 2402


  On July 25 2008 12:40 k2o4 wrote:
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crazy mofo. you stay safe now

exactly where else is a crazy aggressive mofo w/ a military pedigree n 6'2 205 best fit? someone needs to protect all the tree hugging liberals of this country like urself for all those people that hate wars n rag on the war some people have to fight to give them the right to be able to disagree lol


 



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