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k2o4 United States. Jul 28 2008 14:19. Posts 4803 | | |
This guy makes a good point.
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John McCain's new favorite campaign line seems to be "I know how to win wars." He used the line in numerous interviews and speeches in the past week in response to Barack Obama's overseas trip. In fact, McCain likes the line so much that in one speech he used it twice in two sentences. "'I know how to win wars. I know how to win wars,' McCain told the audience at a town hall meeting in Albuquerque," according to the Washington Post.
John McCain served his country honorably. But what wars, exactly, has he won and why doesn't the media ask him?
Was it the Vietnam War? McCain showed uncommon bravery by surviving 5 and a half years in a North Vietnamese prison camp, but he certainly didn't win the Vietnam War. America was defeated in Vietnam, after losing the lives of over 58,000 soldiers and spending over $500 billion which helped cause the stagflation of the 1970s. Moreover, despite the warnings of Vietnam hawks that losing the Vietnam War would lead to a disastrous defeat in the Cold War as communist dominoes would fall throughout Asia, America's safety and security was not seriously damaged. Today Vietnam is a significant trading partner.
Was it the Kosovo War? That war was waged by President Clinton, under the command of Gen. Wesley Clark, who won the air war without the loss of a single American life. During that time, John McCain was urging that America commit ground troops to Kosovo, a step that proved unnecessary, would have led to needless American deaths, and would probably have been counterproductive.
Was it the War in Afghanistan? In 2001-2002, the Taliban and Al Qaeda were all but defeated but John McCain supported George Bush's decision to draw down American troops in Afghanistan -- from whose territory Al Qaeda planned the attack on the World Trade Center -- in order to send them to Iraq which had not attacked America and where, before the invasion of Iraq, Al Qaeda had no operational presence. As a result, Osama Bin Laden was allowed to escape from Tora Bora, today Al Qaeda is stronger than ever and capable of planning further attacks on America and the West, the Taliban is resurgent, and American and NATO casualties are mounting.
Was it the War in Iraq? John McCain predicted, along with George Bush and Dick Cheney, that America would be greeted as liberators. Instead, after 5 and a half years of war, over 4,000 American deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths, at least $1 trillion in costs to the taxpayers, and an American military which is stretched near the breaking point, America is still bogged down in a quagmire. Even taking at face value the most optimistic assessments, even agreeing for the sake of argument that "the surge has worked" (a vast over-simplification), the very best that can be hoped for is an Iraq led by a weak central government with strong ties to Iran, a balkanized country ethnically cleansed into Shiite, Sunni and Kurd enclaves, and a continued low level civil war which will last for years to come. John McCain may fantasize about a military "victory in Iraq" with American troops marching home in celebration to the sound of drums and bugles, but not even the most optimistic analysts see such a victory on the horizon.
It's a bit dangerous to psychoanalyze a politician from afar. Nonetheless, it's hard not to wonder whether, having suffered 5 and a half years as a prisoner in a war that America lost, John McCain feels the need to win a war, any war. One must be concerned that as President, McCain will opt for war as the first choice, not the last choice. With America now embroiled in two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, neither of which are not going well, one has to worry about John McCain's desire to "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran".
John McCain continues to repeat the refrain, "I know how to win wars". It's time for serious reporters to ask him, "You have served your country honorably, Sir, but exactly which wars have you won?"
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damn lol its so funny how far up obamas ass you are |
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| | On July 28 2008 13:21 wakeboarrder wrote:
damn lol its so funny how far up obamas ass you are |
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bour420 United States. Jul 28 2008 14:50. Posts 238 | | |
nice comments..... very constructive. he may or may not be up obamas ass, but that does little to refute the argument made in the article? |
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Twisted  Netherlands. Jul 28 2008 15:06. Posts 10422 | | |
Republicans are retarded, what's new? |
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i dont even bother to read the articles because im a republican (despite the fact mccain hates poker)...but politics are all lies and bullshit so even though k2o is makin all these points about mccain a guy doin alittle research on obama could find the same arguments |
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k2o4 United States. Jul 28 2008 17:40. Posts 4803 | | |
rofl McCain win's the abe simpson vote for sure:
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| | ...clean energy and reduction of greenhouse gas emissions but nuclear power is also a way to employ hundreds of thousands of Americans. We can build 45 new nuclear power plants by the year 2030, it would employ some 700,000 people. So, Senator Obama opposes offshore drilling and reprocessing of spent nuclear fuel and opposes storage of spent nuclear fuel, and so he is the Dr. No, of America's energy future and he also opposes the gas tax holiday as a gimmick. So I am very pleased to be here, and we'll be talking about the energy and economy and continue to do to. And by the way, as I do every three months I visited my dermatologist this morning and she said I was doing fine and she took out a nick from my cheek as she does regularly and that will be biopsied just to make sure everything is doing fine but I want to urge all Americans to wear sunscreen particularly in the summer and stay out the sun as much as possible and wear sunscreen and if you ever have any slight discoloration please go to your dermatologist and doctor and get it checked up on. Melanoma is a preventible occurrence. It really is, it's one of the most preventible occurences. Remember a lot of damage that people receive from the sun when they are young, sometimes comes back later in life and that is the end of my lecture from the American Dermatology Association today. Thank you all very much. |
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k2o4 United States. Jul 28 2008 17:45. Posts 4803 | | |
| | On July 28 2008 14:21 wakeboarrder wrote:
i dont even bother to read the articles because im a republican (despite the fact mccain hates poker)...but politics are all lies and bullshit so even though k2o is makin all these points about mccain a guy doin alittle research on obama could find the same arguments |
I read the shit my republican friends send me. I guess that's cause I'm an independent and I like taking time to think about issues rather than just going "rofl head in ass stupid bs liberal pussy"
So basically you're saying you didn't read the article, but you saw that my post had something to do with McCain and automatically replied "Head up obama's ass". Not because the article was wrong, or stupid, or inaccurate, just cause it was posted by me and it was political. That doesn't give you much credibility =)
Lemme give you the cliff notes since reading is too hard for ya - McCain's new line is that he knows how to win wars, and the article asks the questions what wars has mccain won? It's like if I say I know how to play winning poker so hire me as your coach, you might reply with "give me your lifetime stats" so you can see that I really DO know. But when alazying McCain's lifetime stats, we're seeing very little war winning going on, and even seem previous bad judgement (wanting to send ground troops into kosovo which we won as an air war without losing any troops cause we didn't listen to mccain). |
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