Taxes Fact Check

found this picture:

i thought this was about TEXAS but it's about taxes =(

seems sad that things have to be fought out over issues like this which are fairly meaningless on the grand scale
guess thats politics

cmon obama
hold wtf

Why aren't you posting the dozens of factcheck articles that show obama does the exact same shit? ***WELCOME TO PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS***???

I hope you're getting paid for this rediculous campaining on LP.net because you sure look like a huge douchebag. Have an original thought for once in your life.

I'm not a huge fan of mccain either, but come on this obama fanboi shit went out of style months ago. He's a neive politcal newbie with extremely standard left wing / democratic views.

And LOL at that rediculous tax schedule of obamas posted by k3rn3l

On August 18 2008 19:32 ShaunR wrote: Why aren't you posting the dozens of factcheck articles that show obama does the exact same shit? ***WELCOME TO PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS***??? I hope you're getting paid for this rediculous campaining on LP.net because you sure look like a huge douchebag. Have an original thought for once in your life. I'm not a huge fan of mccain either, but come on this obama fanboi shit went out of style months ago. He's a neive politcal newbie with extremely standard left wing / democratic views. And LOL at that rediculous tax schedule of obamas posted by k3rn3l

Chill shaun, we like each other - at least we were always helpful to each other in terms of poker!

I'm volunteering lots of time to the Obama campaign (note volunteer, NOT PAID) cause I truly believe he is the best choice between the 2. Is he perfect? Obviously not. I've disagreed with him at times. But I disagree with McCain a hell of a lot more. And I read factcheck.org regularly and I think it's a pretty good non partisan source. From what I've seen there Obama does mislead sometimes, but I haven't seen him flat out lie like McCain does so often.

Do you really believe that I'm wrong about the taxes? I never said that the rich are gonna get tax cuts - over $250k a yr you'll get a tax increase, but if you make like $255k a yr you're not gonna have a huge increase at all. If you make less than 603k a yr your income tax only goes up $12! You gotta be banking to get any sort of noticeable increase under his plan, which is why I say that the vast majority of American's do better under Obama.

btw I found this on snopes for how income taxes are affected, which seems similar to the pic posted above.



http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp

Yes, we disagree on taxes.

I think reducing 99% of americans taxes and shifting the burden to the top 1% (which already pay 40% of income taxes) is irresponsible and nothing more than a very standard democratic ploy to buy votes.

Here are some problems with it:

- Our current tax system is EXTREMELY progressive already. Half the working people in the country already pay virtualy zero income taxes, increasing that pool of people even further is pretty wacky. How much further can we go?

- There is no chance that that top 1% will actually end up paying that extra 10% in taxes, that's just rediculous. Their wages will simply go up to compensate and the rest of us will pay their new taxes through higher priced goods/services.


Lower taxes are definately my biggest issue, but they have to be lower for *everyone*, and they need to be paired with large cuts to government spending. Unfortunately neither candidate nor party will be pushing for that any time soon because trying to cut anything is just votes down the drain.

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The bottom line is if you want to lower the tax burden on the tax paying public (to help the economy), you must lower taxes on the rich, because they are the primary source of tax dollars. Thus while the mccain plan above actually is a tax cut, the obama plan is a flat out redistribution of weath (socialism).

Leave it to liberals to package yet another socialist redistribution of weath as a tax cut

This has nothing in particular to do with this blog, just your blogging habits in general, but I think you should definitely give this a read:
http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html

Enjoy

And yea sorry for being such a dick in my first post. I started a reply to most of your blogs recently and have ended up deleting them each time because I didnt have time to express my thoughts so I guess I had some built up frustration.

I am pro small-government / low-taxes / free-markets and it feels like everyone at LP are the exact opposite. So while I love this community when it comes to poker and in general everything BUT politics... I dunno maybe I should just go back to ignoring all the off topic threads. I guess a certain well known LP member wishing for the USA to get nuked (and only half kidding?) along with several people agreeing just really ticked me off and it showed in that post.

On August 18 2008 22:53 ShaunR wrote: And yea sorry for being such a dick in my first post. I started a reply to most of your blogs recently and have ended up deleting them each time because I didnt have time to express my thoughts so I guess I had some built up frustration. I am pro small-government / low-taxes / free-markets and it feels like everyone at LP are the exact opposite. So while I love this community when it comes to poker and in general everything BUT politics... I dunno maybe I should just go back to ignoring all the off topic threads. I guess a certain well known LP member wishing for the USA to get nuked (and only half kidding?) along with several people agreeing just really ticked me off and it showed in that post.

That's cool, no biggie. I was just shocked cause I always had you pegged as a really chill guy, so when you made such a heated post my reaction was "WTF this does not compute!"

Anyway, here we can agree to disagree. I personally find this to be an improvement over the current system, and my main argument was that if you want lower taxes most likely you'll get em under Obama, unless you're banking. It seems like you aren't disagreeing with that, you just don't like the overall approach to taxes that either candidate is taking. So we're not disagreeing about whether Obama gives tax cuts to more people. You just think the overall tax plan is socialist and you disagree with the strategy. I haven't formulated a strong argument against what you feel cause I haven't actually heard anyone make the points you have yet. Once I get time to do some research and think about it I'll come back at ya with a reasoned argument, or maybe I'll end up agreeing, who knows =)