MATH-guns are GOOD

Dude... fox news? Cato's pretty bad but if you're listening to anything on fox news then you need to take a step back and rethink some stuff.

Sounds to me like you've recently gotten a hold of some libertarian propaganda. The philosophy behind libertarianism is very valuable but its proponents have a nasty habit of oversimplifying issues. I'm pretty apathetic on gun control but the issue is not as simple as more guns = less crime = everything is better.

Also I don't know what you have against Al Gore, I didn't quite understand that bit.

al gore and he's campaign on global warming which is NOT happening. Theres some volcano that when it erupted it spewed 18 times more pollution than humans have created since the industrial revolution. During his movie "an inconvenient truth" he had a poor little polar bear stuck on a small block of ice, tried to make it look really really sad...truth is polar bears can swim 100km...which is like 60 miles or something.

and conservatives don't oversimplify, liberals do. Free health care = everyone wakes up perfect every day.

truth is free health care = huge lines you have to wait in 6 months for a check up, no one can pay for it since we're in a STUPID war that costs us 2 BILLION dollars A WEEK, and doctors become government employees, so A) thats communism B) the valedictorian of the graduating class from med school makes the same amount as the guy who graduated last in his class. Thats fair to who? Not the valedictorian, and certainly not the consumer who is paying nothing to see either one. Coinflip on a doctor?? hell no. I'll take my pocket 4's against AKs coinflip.

before you get the wrong impression, i am for gay-marriage (equal rights) and i'm for unions and blue collar workers...i'm sure i'm for others as well but i'm too tired to think of them right now.
Basically...

liberals have great ideas...until you actually think about them. Gun free world, no guns, no murders, great idea, but physically impossible. Criminals will always have guns, the best we can do is not let them run the world and try to even the playing field. Thats terrible that i have to say "even the playing field" when talking about criminals murdering innocent people, buts its the truth. Free health care - Great idea, until you think about it. Doctors are employed by the government, the economy turns away from a free market and there is no competition for the consumer to get the best they can afford, also turns our nation toward communism.

Conservatives - Closed minded idiots who cannot accept any change whatsoever. They won't even listen to new ideas. This is where i give liberals credit for atleast trying to better the nation. Liberals are making an attempt to improve on the quality of life here. I don't agree with them a lot, but from they're perspective, they are doing what they think is best for the nation, and you could atleast hear them out.

wow you are really lost. You say you arent a conservative yet you spew out such standard conservative clichés that has little or no merit at all.

You should check out statistics for gun related deaths in USA compared to countries with strict gun regulations.



"Free health care - Great idea, until you think about it. Doctors are employed by the government, the economy turns away from a free market and there is no competition for the consumer to get the best they can afford, also turns our nation toward communism."

LOL

Stats are awesome.

99% of car accidents occur within 20 miles of home =/= it's riskier to drive close to home. In fact this stat tells us nothing since 99% of our driving is done close to home.

I have no position on this - but I just thought it was worth while to give a warning about stats since your argument seems to be strongly hinging on a stat that may not imply anything or in fact imply something else than you want it to / think it does.

The following example is made up but just serves to briefly show a problem that may be hidden within this stat alone: Let's say that the concealed weapon law was disallowed in the 29 states with the most crime as a response to their crime problems. Thus the state's law on crime was actual the dependent variable (effect) and the crime problem was actually the independent variance (cause) and not vice versa. A more telling argument would be to hold a state constant and then note the crime rate change before and after the law. And that might not be enough - we need another control group for the crime rate change in states where no law change was made.. etc etc

Again no position on the issue at hand just a warning about reading too much into vague stats.

ur incredibly ridiculous


im not even gonna bother justifying my statement. just be open to the idea that maybe ur incredibly ridiculous

Murder rates?! I'm gonna save the world and get a fucking nuke.

hypothetical situation, 5 or 10 years down the road you marry some hottie and has a kid
some robber breaks in your house and panics when he found out he woke you and takes your kid hostage with a knife bad people style (ie knife to throat etc.)
When he notices you have a gun he panics even more and demands you drop it or give it to him or w/e, what do you do, do you comply? Do you try to pick him off with a headshot like a motherfuckinghero?

Guns don't protect you, it just escalates the situation...

Im sorry but u are pretty ignorant.Guns DONT kill people.People kill people so if anyone has to save us .. it means we have to save ourselves and there are indeed a lot of animal species that must be saved coz they are just unique and about global warming... im really not sure if it even exists or not there are so many theories and crap that this has become a ridiculous media crap

Yeah you obv should think deeper about this, you're someone smart enough to enlight the stupidities you just wrote.

A) Guns are responsible for all this violence in your country. When someone get mad and decide to go on a killing spree, he can easily buy guns and optimize the number of victims he's gonna make this day. Without all the weaponry, the Colombine massacre wouldn't have taken place, only the industry of weapons don't want regulation for obvious reasons, don't fall for that.

B) Universal care system is nowhere communism and is fair for everyone (ie you still get medical care if you can't pay them). Just look at countries who are using it, there are some problems but overall it's way better than what you got in USA today. So far, you'd better be white and rich if you get some serious health problem as a US citizen. Health shouldn't be related in any ways to money, even in Cuba they have universal health care system.

Oh yeah guns are totally responsible they invented themselves and stuff...Oh w8 no they didnt and also w8 All the governments can just ban the weapons and nothing like this will happen... or w8 no im pretty sure much bigger killing sprees will happen and the criminal activity % will raise enormously ... Guns are needed and thats pretty much a fact and the statistics that the states with more guns have less criminal activity just proves it.Saying stuff like "Guns are responsible for all this violence in your country" is very very naive .Things like that are necessary to keep the control.You gotta sacrifice something in order to gain something else.In this case im sorry to say thats sacrifice human lives but thats just in order to save hundreds of thousands other lives..

On August 22 2008 03:26 gawdawaful wrote: hypothetical situation, 5 or 10 years down the road you marry some hottie and has a kid some robber breaks in your house and panics when he found out he woke you and takes your kid hostage with a knife bad people style (ie knife to throat etc.) When he notices you have a gun he panics even more and demands you drop it or give it to him or w/e, what do you do, do you comply? Do you try to pick him off with a headshot like a motherfuckinghero? Guns don't protect you, it just escalates the situation...

obv if the situation is right i save my family life. if we're in the same room, we'll be like at most 10 yards (8 1/2 meters or so) away from each other. easy shot.

We're not giving guns to just crazy people. Licensees must pass strenuous tests. They take the same test police officers take. Plus they have to be sane, obv.

On August 22 2008 06:56 Spitfiree wrote: Oh yeah guns are totally responsible they invented themselves and stuff...Oh w8 no they didnt and also w8 All the governments can just ban the weapons and nothing like this will happen... or w8 no im pretty sure much bigger killing sprees will happen and the criminal activity % will raise enormously ... Guns are needed and thats pretty much a fact and the statistics that the states with more guns have less criminal activity just proves it.Saying stuff like "Guns are responsible for all this violence in your country" is very very naive .Things like that are necessary to keep the control.You gotta sacrifice something in order to gain something else.In this case im sorry to say thats sacrifice human lives but thats just in order to save hundreds of thousands other lives..

Point B, worst argument i've ever heard in my life ever wow.

On August 22 2008 06:24 Sheitan wrote: Yeah you obv should think deeper about this, you're someone smart enough to enlight the stupidities you just wrote. A) Guns are responsible for all this violence in your country. When someone get mad and decide to go on a killing spree, he can easily buy guns and optimize the number of victims he's gonna make this day. Without all the weaponry, the Colombine massacre wouldn't have taken place, only the industry of weapons don't want regulation for obvious reasons, don't fall for that. B) Universal care system is nowhere communism...even in Cuba they have universal health care system.

cuba = communist country. lol. thanks for helping my case out.


ok argument A, you think even if it's illegal to get guns thats going to stop him? he's a madman thats already made the decision to go on a killing spree. Any and all gun laws are irrelavent at this point, b/c he's already made the decision to kill innocent people. What i am saying is stop taking guns away from law-abiding citizens. Criminals don't obey the law, they are going to get guns no matter what. The only one's who are going to not buy guys b/c of the laws are the law-abiding innocent people.

On August 22 2008 06:59 eightfourO wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2008 03:26 gawdawaful wrote: hypothetical situation, 5 or 10 years down the road you marry some hottie and has a kid some robber breaks in your house and panics when he found out he woke you and takes your kid hostage with a knife bad people style (ie knife to throat etc.) When he notices you have a gun he panics even more and demands you drop it or give it to him or w/e, what do you do, do you comply? Do you try to pick him off with a headshot like a motherfuckinghero? Guns don't protect you, it just escalates the situation... obv if the situation is right i save my family life. if we're in the same room, we'll be like at most 10 yards (8 1/2 meters or so) away from each other. easy shot. We're not giving guns to just crazy people. Licensees must pass strenuous tests. They take the same test police officers take. Plus they have to be sane, obv.

Assuming you make the shot, you'll just be traumatizing your kid for life, you realize that right?

...17Kppl murdered by guns
and what % is for revenges, accidents, mafia and all murders not related to random robbery?

assuming i don't have a gun and i can't save my son he'll be dead along with my wife and myself, you realize that right?



plus i doubt he'll be traumatized b/c i will raise my kids around guns from the age of about 5 so they are aware of what might happen, and they themselves will be used to guns and what they can do, how to use them, and most importantly everything about being safe. so say this happens at the age of like 12 or so, he'll have 7 years of knowing what i would do in that situation to be prepared for what would happen if that were to occur. I doubt he would say "dad why did you do that???" if he did my response to him is "well, if i didn't, you would be dead."

On August 22 2008 07:38 Forrest Gump wrote: ...17Kppl murdered by guns and what % is for revenges, accidents, mafia and all murders not related to random robbery?

accidents is something like .00138% or something minut.
+ how the hell is anyone suppose to know?? the only one who can tell us about how/why [the victim] is dead.