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k2o4   United States. Sep 29 2008 08:59. Posts 4803
First, to the Polls Batman!



So we had an economy bump for Obama, then McCain regained as talk of a bailout was made public. McCain drew even (46/46) and then announced his campaign suspension. At that point he began to drop and Obama began to rise. Once the debate finished Obama started cruising, and is now tied for his record high and biggest lead. I hope this isn't another bounce, but rather keeps going up and then solidifies.

I guess I need to post something about the debate, and I will a bit lower, but I think what's even more telling and important is how McCain acted before and after the debate. I think Frank Rich of the NYT said it well:

  WHAT we learned last week is that the man who always puts his “country first” will take the country down with him if that’s what it takes to get to the White House.

For all the focus on Friday night’s deadlocked debate, it still can’t obscure what preceded it: When John McCain gratuitously parachuted into Washington on Thursday, he didn’t care if his grandstanding might precipitate an even deeper economic collapse. All he cared about was whether he might save his campaign. George Bush put more deliberation into invading Iraq than McCain did into his own reckless invasion of the delicate Congressional negotiations on the bailout plan.

By the time he arrived, there already was a bipartisan agreement in principle. It collapsed hours later at the meeting convened by the president in the Cabinet Room. Rather than help try to resuscitate Wall Street’s bloodied bulls, McCain was determined to be the bull in Washington’s legislative china shop, running around town and playing both sides of his divided party against Congress’s middle. Once others eventually forged a path out of the wreckage, he’d inflate, if not outright fictionalize, his own role in cleaning up the mess his mischief helped make. Or so he hoped, until his ignominious retreat.


I'm personally sick of "Country First" when it's obviously "McCain's Ambitions First" and he believes that nothing is too disgusting as long as it can get him into the white house. First the attack ads which developed into the most dishonest ads in history, going out of the realm of "stretching the truth" or "exagerating" or "takign quotes out of context" which are standard political BS, and arriving in the land of bald faced lies.

Then the Sarah Palin pick which was extremely gimmicky and blatantly political... it had nothing to do with "Country First" cause she is NOT the best person for the job, she's just the best way to shake up the race and excite the Republican base. And it's extremely irresponsible to put such a clueless, inexperienced, unqualified and extremist right wing person in position to be 1 heart beat away from the presidency. And I choose "heart beat" intentionally cause McCain's got a 72 yr old heart, a history of skin cancer, and refuses to release his medical records.

Now this campaign suspension. Another gimmick that he throws together cause he's scared he's losing to Obama because of the economy. This one backfired horribly because people are seeing through his BS more and more. It's so ridiculous and insulting that it makes me very very angry. Let's give Kerry a minute to rip McCain apart:

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And here's a nice detailed explanation of how it all went down over the last week... click the spoiler.

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Anyway, what I found really hilarious is that while McCain was supposedly on a suspended campaign, he released a web ad saying he'd won the debate... before he even said he was going to attend the debate! His entire campaign is a joke and an insult these days. Sam Stein lays it out well...

  After days of saying that John McCain would not attend Friday's presidential debate unless an agreement on a bailout package for the markets was "locked-down," the McCain campaign has gone back on its word.

On Friday, it announced that the Senator would head down to Mississippi even though, as they readily admit, much work remained needed on the bailout agreement.

The whole episode left even conservatives admitting that the McCain campaign looked erratic and a bit foolish with no apparent direction or guiding principle.

"It just proves his campaign is governed by tactics and not ideology," said Republican consultant Craig Shirley, who advised McCain earlier in this cycle. "In the end, he blinked and Obama did not. The 'steady hand in a storm' argument looks now to more favor Obama, not McCain."


Now that brings us to the Debate. First, if you haven't seen it the best place to watch it is on the MSNBC politics page. They have a cool video player which allows you to jump around easily by keywords, questions, and lot's more. Go here and scroll down to the "Debates" box.

I've heard both of them say all the same things so many times that overall it was kinda boring to watch. I do think Obama won, but hell, I am an Obama fan, so it's not like it means much for me to say that. But let me try and explain some of my reasons.

1) I think that McCain spent more time attacking Obama than he did discussing the issues, and when he did talk about the issues he sounded like he wanted to keep Bush's plans. Obama on the other hand answered the questions by listing out his plans point by point. He was clear and left me feeling like he was focusing on the issues and knew what he wanted to do for this country.

2) Obama did a good job of rejecting any lies McCain told, always interupting McCain with "that's not true" or something along those lines when McCain was lying, and then making sure to explain why it wasn't true when he got his chance to talk. Obama also didn't tell any whoppers, while McCain made big mistakes and lied. Here's a good post by Jed Lewison laying that out:

  I've put together a summary of the misstatements of fact in last night's debate as tracked by FactCheck.org.

The bottom-line is that while Obama did make a few mistakes, none were outright fabrications, and even when wrong, he was fairly close to being accurate.

McCain, on the other hand, delivered several whoppers that weren't even close to the truth.

First, Obama's misstatements:


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3) Lastly, body language. McCain was stiff, stared straight ahead and pretended Obama didn't exist. He looked scared. He wasn't willing to make eye contact or talk directly to Obama. McCain looked scared. He also was smirking and condescending throughout the debate, and it didn't look good. Obama on the other hand was looking at McCain, talking directly to him, not scared to cut McCain off, and seemed strong and in charge.

Overall I agree with Obama on the issues and disagree with McCain. There are a few things I agree with McCain on, and it seems Obama does too, as was evidenced by the times he'd say "John is right about that" and so on. Cause McCain isn't all bad - we're with him on ear marks and taking care of the vets and so on. And I thought it was great how Obama was sure to give McCain credit when he was right. I think it's shitty of McCain's campaign to try and use that against him with an ad though...

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Despite the McCain Camps spin (and lack of spin from Palin as they locked her away, lolz), and the pundits middle of the road "it was a tie" pronouncements, the polls all say Obama won.


  A new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll shows 46% of people who watched Friday night's presidential debate say Democrat Barack Obama did a better job than Republican John McCain; 34% said McCain did better.

Poll_warning Obama scored even better -- 52%-35% -- when debate-watchers were asked which candidate offered the best proposals for change to solve the country’s problems.


(I'm too lazy to find more links to other polls, but just search and you'll find em).

I hope this is the point in the election where people finally wake up and realize that Obama is the right choice for this country.

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SfydjkLm   Belarus. Sep 29 2008 09:18. Posts 3810

dude wtf everytime i load up your blog my PT hud crushes.
Stop it!

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SfydjkLm   Belarus. Sep 29 2008 09:31. Posts 3810

I do think that your assessment of McCain is wrong. In fact if he was on a democratic platform id vote for him without hesitation. Ive watched a lot of his speeches and stuff from back when before he rolled out with a campaign. He's good folk, hes smart fella and his opinion also differs greatly from rep party, in a good way too.

He caved under pressure however. Whatever hold they have on him now he just hangs on the strings, a liveless puppet.



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True   Finland. Sep 29 2008 09:35. Posts 843

Thanks k204

I am a NL25 player so take my advice/comments in that perspective 

SKoT   United States. Sep 29 2008 11:51. Posts 1768

Im so sick of "wake up america!!". It makes you look pretentious beyond measure. I'd tip the debate to Obama, but barely.


k2o4   United States. Sep 29 2008 12:23. Posts 4803


  On September 29 2008 08:31 SfydjkLm wrote:
I do think that your assessment of McCain is wrong. In fact if he was on a democratic platform id vote for him without hesitation. Ive watched a lot of his speeches and stuff from back when before he rolled out with a campaign. He's good folk, hes smart fella and his opinion also differs greatly from rep party, in a good way too.

He caved under pressure however. Whatever hold they have on him now he just hangs on the strings, a liveless puppet.



I'd vote for McCain in 2000 on a dem platform too - he was my favorite republican for a long time. And I agree that his speeches and things from before this election showed him to be good people. But during this election he sold out to the right wing republicans and karl rove operatives. He's hired the same people who smeared him in the primary vs bush (people he said were disgusting) and has them smearing obama. I honestly believe he could have won this election if he was still the guy from 2000 and in that case I'd feel like it wasn't so bad. But like you said he's a puppet now. That's what I'm against - not the old McCain, but the new one who's lost his honor to win an election.


  On September 29 2008 10:51 SKoT wrote:
Im so sick of "wake up america!!". It makes you look pretentious beyond measure. I'd tip the debate to Obama, but barely.



I mean wakeup up more in the sense that they start paying attention and finally get to know Obama. I've been knocking on doors and calling voters while volunteering for the Obama campaign and it's amazing how many people are completely undecided and say that they haven't paid any attention and still need to do research to make a decision. So I am hoping they wake up with this debate and see Obama for who he is, not as some scary black man. Also it would be nice if they realized that McCain has changed and isn't who he used to be.

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failsafe   United States. Sep 29 2008 14:05. Posts 1041

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