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k2o4   United States. Sep 29 2008 08:59. Posts 4803 | | |
First, to the Polls Batman!
So we had an economy bump for Obama, then McCain regained as talk of a bailout was made public. McCain drew even (46/46) and then announced his campaign suspension. At that point he began to drop and Obama began to rise. Once the debate finished Obama started cruising, and is now tied for his record high and biggest lead. I hope this isn't another bounce, but rather keeps going up and then solidifies.
I guess I need to post something about the debate, and I will a bit lower, but I think what's even more telling and important is how McCain acted before and after the debate. I think Frank Rich of the NYT said it well:
| WHAT we learned last week is that the man who always puts his “country first” will take the country down with him if that’s what it takes to get to the White House.
For all the focus on Friday night’s deadlocked debate, it still can’t obscure what preceded it: When John McCain gratuitously parachuted into Washington on Thursday, he didn’t care if his grandstanding might precipitate an even deeper economic collapse. All he cared about was whether he might save his campaign. George Bush put more deliberation into invading Iraq than McCain did into his own reckless invasion of the delicate Congressional negotiations on the bailout plan.
By the time he arrived, there already was a bipartisan agreement in principle. It collapsed hours later at the meeting convened by the president in the Cabinet Room. Rather than help try to resuscitate Wall Street’s bloodied bulls, McCain was determined to be the bull in Washington’s legislative china shop, running around town and playing both sides of his divided party against Congress’s middle. Once others eventually forged a path out of the wreckage, he’d inflate, if not outright fictionalize, his own role in cleaning up the mess his mischief helped make. Or so he hoped, until his ignominious retreat. |
I'm personally sick of "Country First" when it's obviously "McCain's Ambitions First" and he believes that nothing is too disgusting as long as it can get him into the white house. First the attack ads which developed into the most dishonest ads in history, going out of the realm of "stretching the truth" or "exagerating" or "takign quotes out of context" which are standard political BS, and arriving in the land of bald faced lies.
Then the Sarah Palin pick which was extremely gimmicky and blatantly political... it had nothing to do with "Country First" cause she is NOT the best person for the job, she's just the best way to shake up the race and excite the Republican base. And it's extremely irresponsible to put such a clueless, inexperienced, unqualified and extremist right wing person in position to be 1 heart beat away from the presidency. And I choose "heart beat" intentionally cause McCain's got a 72 yr old heart, a history of skin cancer, and refuses to release his medical records.
Now this campaign suspension. Another gimmick that he throws together cause he's scared he's losing to Obama because of the economy. This one backfired horribly because people are seeing through his BS more and more. It's so ridiculous and insulting that it makes me very very angry. Let's give Kerry a minute to rip McCain apart:
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And here's a nice detailed explanation of how it all went down over the last week... click the spoiler.
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To put these 24 hours in context, you must remember that McCain not only knows little about the economy but that he has not previously expressed any urgency about its meltdown. It was on Sept. 15 — the day after his former idol Alan Greenspan pronounced the current crisis a “once-in-a-century” catastrophe — that McCain reaffirmed for the umpteenth time that the “fundamentals of our economy are strong.” As recently as Tuesday he had not yet even read the two-and-a-half-page bailout proposal first circulated by Hank Paulson last weekend. “I have not had a chance to see it in writing,” he explained. (Maybe he was waiting for it to arrive by Western Union instead of PDF.)
Then came Black Wednesday — not for the stock market, which was holding steady in anticipation of Washington action, but for McCain. As the widely accepted narrative has it, his come-to-Jesus moment arrived that morning, when he awoke to discover that Barack Obama had surged ahead by nine percentage points in the Washington Post/ABC News poll. The McCain campaign hastily suited up its own pollster to belittle that finding — only to be drowned out by a fusillade of new polls from Fox News, Marist and CNN/Time, each with numbers closer to Post/ABC than not. Obama was rising most everywhere except the moose strongholds of Alaska and Montana.
That was not the only bad news raining down on McCain. His camp knew what Katie Couric had in the can from her interview with Sarah Palin. The first excerpt was to be broadcast by CBS that night, and it had to be upstaged fast.
But even that wasn’t the top political threat McCain faced last week. Bigger still was the mounting evidence of the seamless synergy between his campaign and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the mortgage monsters at the heart of the housing bust that set off our current calamity. Most of all, it was the fast-moving events on that front that precipitated his panic to roll out his diversionary, over-the-top theatrics on Wednesday.
What we were learning — through The New York Times, Newsweek and Roll Call — was ugly. Davis Manafort, the lobbying firm owned by McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, had received $15,000 a month from Freddie Mac from late 2005 until last month. This was in addition to the $30,000 a month that Davis was paid from 2000 to 2005 by the so-called Homeownership Alliance, an advocacy organization that he headed and that was financed by Freddie and Fannie to fight regulation.
The McCain campaign tried to pre-emptively deflect such revelations by reviving the old Rove trick of accusing your opponent of your own biggest failings. It ran attack ads about Obama’s own links to the mortgage giants. But neither of the former Freddie-Fannie executives vilified in those ads, Franklin Raines and James Johnson, had worked at those companies lately or are currently associated with the Obama campaign. (Raines never worked for the campaign at all.) By contrast, Davis is the tip of the Freddie-Fannie-McCain iceberg. McCain’s senior adviser, his campaign’s vice chairman, his Congressional liaison and the reported head of his White House transition team all either made fortunes from recent Freddie-Fannie lobbying or were players in firms that did.
By Wednesday, the McCain campaign’s latest tactic for countering this news — attacking the press, especially The Times — was paying diminishing returns. Davis abruptly canceled his scheduled appearance that day at a weekly reporters’ lunch sponsored by The Christian Science Monitor, escaping any further questions by pleading that he had to hit the campaign trail. (He turned up at the “21” Club in New York that night, wining and dining McCain fund-raisers.)
It’s then that Angry Old Ironsides McCain suddenly emerged to bark that our financial distress was “the greatest crisis we’ve faced, clearly, since World War II” — even greater than the Russia-Georgia conflict, which in August he had called the “first probably serious crisis internationally since the end of the cold war.” Campaigns, debates and no doubt Bristol Palin’s nuptials had to be suspended immediately so he could ride to the rescue, with Joe Lieberman as his Robin.
Yet even as he huffed and puffed about being a “leader,” McCain took no action and felt no urgency. As his Congressional colleagues worked tirelessly in Washington, he malingered in New York. He checked out the suffering on Main Street (or perhaps High Street) by conferring with Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, the Hillary-turned-McCain supporter best known for her fabulous London digs and her diatribes against Obama’s elitism. McCain also found time to have a well-publicized chat with one of those celebrities he so disdains, Bono, and to give a self-promoting public speech at the Clinton Global Initiative.
There was no suspension of his campaign. His surrogates and ads remained on television. Huffington Post bloggers, working the phones, couldn’t find a single McCain campaign office that had gone on hiatus. This “suspension” ruse was an exact replay of McCain’s self-righteous “suspension” of the G.O.P. convention as Hurricane Gustav arrived on Labor Day. “We will put aside our political hats and put on our American hats,” he declared then, solemnly pledging that conventioneers would help those in need. But as anyone in the Twin Cities could see, the assembled put on their party hats instead, piling into the lobbyists’ bacchanals earlier than scheduled, albeit on the down-low.
Much of the press paid lip service to McCain’s new “suspension” as it had to its prototype. In truth, the only campaign activity McCain did drop was a Wednesday evening taping with David Letterman. Don’t mess with Dave. Picking up where the “The View” left off in speaking truth to power, the uncharacteristically furious host hammered the absent McCain on and off for 40 minutes, repeatedly observing that the cancellation “didn’t smell right.”
In a journalistic coup de grâce worthy of “60 Minutes,” Letterman went on to unmask his no-show guest as a liar. McCain had phoned himself that afternoon to say he was “getting on a plane immediately” to deal with the grave situation in Washington, Letterman told the audience. Then he showed video of McCain being touched up by a makeup artist while awaiting an interview by Couric that same evening at another CBS studio in New York.
It’s not hard to guess why McCain had blown off Letterman for Couric at the last minute. The McCain campaign’s high anxiety about the disastrous Couric-Palin sit-down was skyrocketing as advance excerpts flooded the Internet. By offering his own interview to Couric for the same night, McCain hoped (in vain) to dilute Palin’s primacy on the “CBS Evening News.”
Letterman’s most mordant laughs on Wednesday came when he riffed about McCain’s campaign “suspension”: “Do you suspend your campaign? No, because that makes me think maybe there will be other things down the road, like if he’s in the White House, he might just suspend being president. I mean, we’ve got a guy like that now!”
That’s no joke. Bush has so little credibility he can govern only through surrogates (Paulson is the new Petraeus). When he spoke about the economic crisis in prime time earlier that same night, he registered as no more than an irritating speed bump en route to “David Blaine: Dive of Death.”
It’s that utter power vacuum that gave McCain the opening to pull his potentially catastrophic display of economic “leadership” last week. He may be the first presidential candidate in our history to risk wrecking the country even before being voted into the Oval Office.
Anyway, what I found really hilarious is that while McCain was supposedly on a suspended campaign, he released a web ad saying he'd won the debate... before he even said he was going to attend the debate! His entire campaign is a joke and an insult these days. Sam Stein lays it out well...
| After days of saying that John McCain would not attend Friday's presidential debate unless an agreement on a bailout package for the markets was "locked-down," the McCain campaign has gone back on its word.
On Friday, it announced that the Senator would head down to Mississippi even though, as they readily admit, much work remained needed on the bailout agreement.
The whole episode left even conservatives admitting that the McCain campaign looked erratic and a bit foolish with no apparent direction or guiding principle.
"It just proves his campaign is governed by tactics and not ideology," said Republican consultant Craig Shirley, who advised McCain earlier in this cycle. "In the end, he blinked and Obama did not. The 'steady hand in a storm' argument looks now to more favor Obama, not McCain." |
Now that brings us to the Debate. First, if you haven't seen it the best place to watch it is on the MSNBC politics page. They have a cool video player which allows you to jump around easily by keywords, questions, and lot's more. Go here and scroll down to the "Debates" box.
I've heard both of them say all the same things so many times that overall it was kinda boring to watch. I do think Obama won, but hell, I am an Obama fan, so it's not like it means much for me to say that. But let me try and explain some of my reasons.
1) I think that McCain spent more time attacking Obama than he did discussing the issues, and when he did talk about the issues he sounded like he wanted to keep Bush's plans. Obama on the other hand answered the questions by listing out his plans point by point. He was clear and left me feeling like he was focusing on the issues and knew what he wanted to do for this country.
2) Obama did a good job of rejecting any lies McCain told, always interupting McCain with "that's not true" or something along those lines when McCain was lying, and then making sure to explain why it wasn't true when he got his chance to talk. Obama also didn't tell any whoppers, while McCain made big mistakes and lied. Here's a good post by Jed Lewison laying that out:
| I've put together a summary of the misstatements of fact in last night's debate as tracked by FactCheck.org.
The bottom-line is that while Obama did make a few mistakes, none were outright fabrications, and even when wrong, he was fairly close to being accurate.
McCain, on the other hand, delivered several whoppers that weren't even close to the truth.
First, Obama's misstatements: |
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* Denied voting for a budget plan that called for a tax increase on people making $42K. He did vote for a budget resolution with such a recommendation, but even if it had passed, it would have not have had the force of law. Moreover, he does not support such a tax increase in his current plan.
* Claimed Iraq has a $79 billion surplus, but that figure is outdated and the actually number is now closer to $60 billion.
* Claimed 95% of "the American people" would see a tax cut under his plan when he should have said "95% of American families with children."
* Claimed McCain's health care plan would levy taxes against employers on health care premiums when McCain would actually be taxing individuals.
Second, McCain misstatements:
* Denied Kissinger called for meetings with Iran without conditions, when Kissinger had made such a call.
* Claimed Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen had criticized Obama's troop withdrawal plan when Mullen had not.
* Claimed earmarks had tripled in the last five years when they have actually decreased.
* Claimed U.S. pays $700 billion per year to buy oil from hostile nations when the actual figure is at most $359 billion.
* Claimed Obama would hand the health care system to the federal government, which is false.
* Claimed Dwight Eisenhower had penned a letter offering his resignation if Normandy had failed, but that didn't happen.
Basically, when Obama erred, he was saying 2 + 2 = 4.01. When McCain erred, he was saying 2 + 2 = 4,000,001.
3) Lastly, body language. McCain was stiff, stared straight ahead and pretended Obama didn't exist. He looked scared. He wasn't willing to make eye contact or talk directly to Obama. McCain looked scared. He also was smirking and condescending throughout the debate, and it didn't look good. Obama on the other hand was looking at McCain, talking directly to him, not scared to cut McCain off, and seemed strong and in charge.
Overall I agree with Obama on the issues and disagree with McCain. There are a few things I agree with McCain on, and it seems Obama does too, as was evidenced by the times he'd say "John is right about that" and so on. Cause McCain isn't all bad - we're with him on ear marks and taking care of the vets and so on. And I thought it was great how Obama was sure to give McCain credit when he was right. I think it's shitty of McCain's campaign to try and use that against him with an ad though...
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Despite the McCain Camps spin (and lack of spin from Palin as they locked her away, lolz), and the pundits middle of the road "it was a tie" pronouncements, the polls all say Obama won.
| A new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll shows 46% of people who watched Friday night's presidential debate say Democrat Barack Obama did a better job than Republican John McCain; 34% said McCain did better.
Poll_warning Obama scored even better -- 52%-35% -- when debate-watchers were asked which candidate offered the best proposals for change to solve the country’s problems. |
(I'm too lazy to find more links to other polls, but just search and you'll find em).
I hope this is the point in the election where people finally wake up and realize that Obama is the right choice for this country.
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SfydjkLm   Belarus. Sep 29 2008 09:18. Posts 3810 | | |
dude wtf everytime i load up your blog my PT hud crushes.
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SfydjkLm   Belarus. Sep 29 2008 09:31. Posts 3810 | | |
I do think that your assessment of McCain is wrong. In fact if he was on a democratic platform id vote for him without hesitation. Ive watched a lot of his speeches and stuff from back when before he rolled out with a campaign. He's good folk, hes smart fella and his opinion also differs greatly from rep party, in a good way too.
He caved under pressure however. Whatever hold they have on him now he just hangs on the strings, a liveless puppet.
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True   Finland. Sep 29 2008 09:35. Posts 843 | | |
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SKoT   United States. Sep 29 2008 11:51. Posts 1768 | | |
Im so sick of "wake up america!!". It makes you look pretentious beyond measure. I'd tip the debate to Obama, but barely. |
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k2o4   United States. Sep 29 2008 12:23. Posts 4803 | | |
| On September 29 2008 08:31 SfydjkLm wrote:
I do think that your assessment of McCain is wrong. In fact if he was on a democratic platform id vote for him without hesitation. Ive watched a lot of his speeches and stuff from back when before he rolled out with a campaign. He's good folk, hes smart fella and his opinion also differs greatly from rep party, in a good way too.
He caved under pressure however. Whatever hold they have on him now he just hangs on the strings, a liveless puppet.
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I'd vote for McCain in 2000 on a dem platform too - he was my favorite republican for a long time. And I agree that his speeches and things from before this election showed him to be good people. But during this election he sold out to the right wing republicans and karl rove operatives. He's hired the same people who smeared him in the primary vs bush (people he said were disgusting) and has them smearing obama. I honestly believe he could have won this election if he was still the guy from 2000 and in that case I'd feel like it wasn't so bad. But like you said he's a puppet now. That's what I'm against - not the old McCain, but the new one who's lost his honor to win an election.
| On September 29 2008 10:51 SKoT wrote:
Im so sick of "wake up america!!". It makes you look pretentious beyond measure. I'd tip the debate to Obama, but barely. |
I mean wakeup up more in the sense that they start paying attention and finally get to know Obama. I've been knocking on doors and calling voters while volunteering for the Obama campaign and it's amazing how many people are completely undecided and say that they haven't paid any attention and still need to do research to make a decision. So I am hoping they wake up with this debate and see Obama for who he is, not as some scary black man. Also it would be nice if they realized that McCain has changed and isn't who he used to be. |
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