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John Galt Canada. Dec 23 2008 18:48. Posts 618

hello all
the last month of poker has really ownd me (and my bankroll)
i've been lurking on LP since i started poker about 6 months ago when someone owed me 30$ and shipped it to me on pokerstars
ill started 2 tabling NL10 6max and ran my roll up to 130$ on a sick heater before losing everything but my original 30$. Then I read up random poker guides and decided to try my hand at FR starting at NL2 i've slowly made my way up, multi tabling each level for loads of hands before confidently moving up.
I've won about 4k from like 200k hands of NL25 FR and below but over the last 60k hands i'm down almost 1k on NL50.....
i dont like to admit it, but i think i am starting to tilt quietly
i've reduced the number of tables and tried to think things through and i dont know if its my failure to raise or inability to play when villain raises, but ill post some hands that i feel are pretty representative of my recent tough spots

today i played 13/9/2.5, all comments are welcome im really questioning my basics. looking at my PT after a session i pretty much lose all pots, small medium and big :....

1) mattG30 is 14/6/2 over 100 hands:

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i didnt 3bet pre because i feel someone this tight passive only calls me oop with AA/KK and they are check folding missed AK which i get no value from
i know i have a problem with raising/3betting to 'protect my hand' like TPTK when i cant give them a worse hand that calls me

2) henke is 15/7/2.5 over also 100 hands
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any unknown tighter than like 35/5 pretty much never calls down with KJ right?
im folding to a raise on any street right?
how much am i check calling on the river?
what if he was full stack?

3) rolligoer is 19/8/1 over 75 hands
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he never gives action, folds his blinds every time to steals
betting 2 streets pretty standard? what if he raises turn?

4) villain is 42/0/1 over 40 hands
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i cbet small because the flop is so dry and i want him to call with random T
other than that i dont really know why i played it like that
i dont know if he's fit or fold post; 3 streets of value small against someone 42/0? 40% WtSD, 66% W$SD sample size too small to be meaningfull

5) mrab is 57/7/1.9 over 100 hands
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he check calls cbets like its his job, i have checked behind the turn and folded to river bets twice before this hand
he has check called 3 streets with second pair (owning me) bvb
i have never seen him call the turn like this
there are possible straights and flushes and pretty much ATC can make two pair
standard fold?

6)agfacolor 3 outed me twice today, dunno if its relevant, call cbet with TPNK both times
he's 24/5/5.4 over 500 hands
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lachlan says: bet/call or check/fold turn
is this a standard fold? what if he raises flop (AF=5.4)? what if he flats turn?

7) villain was 11/3 over 40 hands when this happened, but after 100 hands he's 23/11/3
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this is the only time i flatted AA today i swear
i flatted because he is so tight (i thought) and i think QQ/JJ would be more likely to give some action on a rag flop whereas he's folding these if i 3bet pre. i wont try to defend my line cuz i have no idea what i've been smoking.
raise fold flop? i was assigning him AK, JJ+? is there any reason to flat (vs AK?) fold to turn pot sized bet is standard?

8) 16/13/5.5 over 150 hands
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he never folds his blinds to steals, but i have AQs - i flat IP? should be profitable unless u play it like me
i need to make my decision on the flop right? this is pretty much as good as it gets for AQs - easy jam?
i've never personally seen it, but should i assume he is capable of 3betting light? he has an attempt to steal 50% so like i know he knows btns like to steal?

9) 34/19/1 over 100 hands
he's raised my bb every time its been folded to him, i've 3bet him once and he folded
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when i make a stand against his steals, my hand really doesnt matter right?
as played, bet turn and if he calls, give up?

10) 11/3/2 over 150 hands
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i was trying to maximize value vs worse ace
i only noticed his stats after i bet the turn. how good is my kicker? any ace an 11/3 calls with in the blinds is better than A9 right?
board is pretty dry - pot control the turn?
he check raised me pretty fast

for those who have made it this far, thanks
if anyone wants to talk poker on msn shoot me a pm
i've been playing really badly lately and really just want to sit down and know my standard lines
i really want to make this game a little more than just for fun atm, but nothing seems to be going right
thanks for the help guys

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genjix China. Dec 23 2008 19:38. Posts 2677

heres my opinions if u want them:

hand1- overpair is a weak hand and u stack off on such a bad board.
hand2- 3BET PF to avoid giving him set mining odds
hand3- standard cooler. well played.
hand4- again i dunno wtf is up with betting all 3 streets with weak hands PLUS u have TPGK which can be dominated so u want to be careful.
hand5- i like this hand. gj.
hand6- good
hand7- wtf rr that shit pf and then u can stack off.
hand8- yeah as played probably shove flop for FE
hand9- your hand is a bluff. are you scared to bet what u represent? having a hand that actually has some use like a small PP will help increase % success by turning ur hand into a kind of semi-bluff. so the better the hand the better imo
hand10- so little chance he holds the other ace... think about it. its the same chance as u hitting a set. i'd call, re-evaluate on river. be happy

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morph1 Sierra Leone. Dec 23 2008 20:24. Posts 2352

he cant 3bet when he is original raiser preflop in hand 2 , raise more preflop
also in hand one you desided how to play it by just calling on flop
it's realy good board to cbet.. so idk why not raise flop + any K or A on turn are killing ur hand

i am also very drunk at the moment so forgive me
dude you have me on msn just msg me when u are online and we can talk a little

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Fox . Dec 23 2008 20:26. Posts 3110

hand 6 you need to check turn and give up if he bets. Full ring, overpairs are not worth getting more money in on boards like that.
hand 7 repop prelop.
hand 8 go allin on flop.
hand 9 is spew the end for full ring just wait for a hand you don't have to battle over blinds.

the rest are fine although some of your betting tendances could change, betting less then half pot, betting too little etc... but you didn't play them horribly.

as long as you merge your ranges with your bluffs you'll get paid off in these situations very often. It's always rare for people to have hands like this so as long as you're betting your good hands strong you'll be able to get everyone to fold on flop/turn bets.

If you face people who are really nitty and you don't think you can get 3 streets of value from worse, check turns/check flops keep the pot small and make them think your range is wider. So many of these guys are slow playing strong hands on drawy boards so just keep betting against them.

I've done pretty well at NL100-200 FR and the thing i learned is to always bet your strong hands and bet them until you're blue in the face. So many bad players call with weaker kickers or worse hands, and so many monsters call even if the board is draw heavy. Bet strong hands, bet good draws and just own bad players.

One hand you had K10 vs KQ and you turned two pair. So many villians will show up with stuff like AK, KJ etc here and you'll just roll them over because they are unwilling to raise preflop or fold top pair.

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Fox . Dec 23 2008 20:30. Posts 3110

bleh more hand 10. I prefer to check behind on turn and call his river bet. worse is not going to call your turn bet so make your hand a bluff catcher.

Silver_nz New Zealand. Dec 23 2008 21:19. Posts 5647

1: I think its well palyed pf and on the flop, but when he bets the turn i would become very suspicious, but i would still probly say he has enough JJ, TT and possibly spazz bluffs in his range to justfy paying off.
2: pfr isn't large enough, make it 4bb + a BB for each limper + another bb just cause you are oop. I like the 2 small barrels but river is almost certainly a check fold, because what part of his range does he bluff or valuebet like that on the river? you think he limp called a suited connector then double floated you when he missed? not likely. if he has a pocket pair and is suspicous then he is 100% not turning it inot a bluff on the river, hes just going to showdown. although the facts that he slowplays and *hates* value are nice to confirm, so might be worth it to see his cards. you can't really say much about his post flop tightness just from his preflop stats.. need to see showdowns like this one.
3: thats ok, you can narrow his range alot when he calls flop and turn, i think your bet sizing is good, there are still some hands you can get value from. if he raises its an insta pitch with your read
4: I would have bet more for value, flop can actually have alot of straight draws which players like that often love to chase (sometimes they are mega tight fit-or-fold nits on the flop thou so hard to say) and often he can have alot of worse top pairs. obv you ran into the top of his range, just unlucky
5: against that type of player why would you bet small on a drawry board? bomb the shit out of it - hes calling any size bet. when he donks in on the river i think given how often you have been folding in the past you can look him up if you feel he might be able to bluff there. given that he peels every cbet he can still have alot of missed draws on the river. on the other hand his stats suggest he is loose passive and this is the way a fish plays a monster, so probably a good fold
6: bet flop bigger, probly just check fold turn because everything got there so there are less bluff type hands he could have and things you beat aren't going to bet turn. if he raises flop probably stack off, if he flats turn check fold river
7:if hes 11/3 rr pf, you aren't going to get alot of folds, no need to trap him either cause he isn't bluffing.

ok bored now 8D

lachlan Australia. Dec 23 2008 21:27. Posts 6991

yea 10 i would check behind too on turn
9) id try to never 3bet a weak hand like 67o against a donk. cos ur probly not going to get a fold, instead 3bet AJ, AQ, TT, KQ type hands where you can flop something and be happy with it. i would try to only 3bet hands like this against tight regulars who's "3b calling range" is really strong, like you expect them to call only with QQ+. that way if they decide to call pf u have a chance to flop some kind of draw which you can then get it in with

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John Galt Canada. Dec 23 2008 23:10. Posts 618

thanks for all the help guys
things i've learned today
1. dont over value over pairs and give up sooner - saves money
2. im going to 3bet QQ+ and AK 90% because people play face up in 3bet pots

i see people pot controlling with KK over pair (hand 4) and flatting flopped sets 2 streets (hand 2)
how do i fight this? pot controlling TPTK? always be the bettor on each street to control the size of the betting?

im going to try and raise flopped sets and nut flush draws 90% and see how that works out
raises = the nuts at NL50 FR? can anything be deduced from preflop stats? aggr freq/factor?
can (should) i play as if no one ever bluffs me?

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Fox . Dec 23 2008 23:54. Posts 3110

flatting flopped sets 2 streets (hand 2) you need to see board textures, draws? if no draws what's his range for overpair/top pairs to call?

Sometimes against a huge nit you know they aren't calling with A10 on a 1036 board or 78, or 54 (they'd never call preflop with those) so think it through.

whamm! Albania. Dec 24 2008 04:30. Posts 11625

pot control oop more than in position as a general rule of thumb. simple as that. regardless if you have a tptk or a draw, pot control is really not written in stone in tptk hands only or draws - its situation dependent, it also dpends on a lot of other factors like board texture and the type of player you're up against.