Lagging

PokerStars Game #23737390075: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2009/01/09 16:03:26 MT [2009/01/09 18:03:26 ET]
Table Orestes VIII 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: k2o4 ($138.15 in chips)
Seat 2: MadHandler ($120.50 in chips)
Seat 3: skampili ($223.35 in chips)
Seat 4: SwissCantMis ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: xgiovannix ($104.15 in chips)
Seat 6: peterosey ($37.30 in chips)
MadHandler: posts small blind $0.50
skampili: posts big blind $1

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to k2o4
SwissCantMis: raises $2 to $3
xgiovannix: folds
peterosey: folds
k2o4: raises $7 to $10
MadHandler: raises $7 to $17
skampili: folds
SwissCantMis: folds
k2o4: calls $7

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $38.00)

   
MadHandler: bets $10
k2o4: raises $50 to $60
MadHandler: raises $43.50 to $103.50 and is all-in
k2o4: calls $43.50

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $245.00)

   

River (Pot : $245.00)

   

Showdown
MadHandler: shows (a pair of Queens)
k2o4: mucks hand
MadHandler collected $242 from pot

Summary
Total pot $245 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: k2o4 (button) mucked
Seat 2: MadHandler (small blind) showed and won ($242) with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: skampili (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: SwissCantMis folded before Flop
Seat 5: xgiovannix folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: peterosey folded before Flop (didnt bet)

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idk, ive been crushing it playing like a 16/12 lately. people never give you respect for anything.

I reckon you end up getting it in lighter with this style, causing bigger swongs. I definitely think its much more difficult to play (I couldn't handle it yet, for instance)... good luck hf with it. I can't wait to improve enough to be able to open up my game again

wow that's nitty snider :o!

On January 09 2009 18:17 sniderstyle wrote: idk, ive been crushing it playing like a 16/12 lately. people never give you respect for anything.

omg nit nit nit!

=)

On January 09 2009 18:17 sniderstyle wrote: idk, ive been crushing it playing like a 16/12 lately. people never give you respect for anything.

this imo

lag is more profitable but is insanely hard to learn, plus w/ how stupid ppl are nowadays they don't pay attention to stats and just always think ppl are making moves at them. I 3bet a nitastic 3% recently and yet still I constantly get 4 bet...GL w/ the LAG though, i'm switching to it once i get my roll to 14k

On January 09 2009 18:30 palak wrote: I 3bet a nitastic 3% recently

oh my god that's nitty.

On January 09 2009 18:35 Sicks Macks wrote: Show nested quote + On January 09 2009 18:30 palak wrote: I 3bet a nitastic 3% recently oh my god that's nitty.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NITTY, everyone is just so shitty postflop I've lost all incentive to 3bet when i can just rape them postflop

Doesn't it stand to reason that if you can rape them postflop you'd want to play as many hands as you reasonably can post flop?

On January 09 2009 18:41 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: Doesn't it stand to reason that if you can rape them postflop you'd want to play as many hands as you reasonably can post flop?

i do play a semi decent amount of hands VPIP is anywhere from 18(if table is full of unbluffable calling stations)-24(table full of reg nits who can be run over postflop) depending on the table...i'm not quite able to show a profit on hands like u can w/ ur like 32/28 stats, but i'm gonna work on loosening up after I get a larger roll that can sustain the swings of LAG

let me watch you play k2o4

MAKE A TIME

oh
/hidden brag with nit stats

F playing LAG at 50NL for sure. I'm nitting it up and people are still 4bet shoving me with ajdkhlsd and dashfkjdlf

but I definitely play lag when 4tabling its so much fun to soulread and levelown yourself

GJ

On January 09 2009 18:47 palak wrote: Show nested quote + On January 09 2009 18:41 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: Doesn't it stand to reason that if you can rape them postflop you'd want to play as many hands as you reasonably can post flop? i do play a semi decent amount of hands VPIP is anywhere from 18(if table is full of unbluffable calling stations)-24(table full of reg nits who can be run over postflop) depending on the table...i'm not quite able to show a profit on hands like u can w/ ur like 32/28 stats, but i'm gonna work on loosening up after I get a larger roll that can sustain the swings of LAG

Eh, it can be pretty difficult. I have issues with being too aggro in some spots and just general spewing. Though my preflop stats don't often vary too much. It depends how aggro the game is preflop. I change my post flop strategy depending on the players. For instance, your example of changing vs calling stations and nits. I don't let that effect my preflop game significantly. I do, however, vastly change my cbetting tendencies as a start. Which of course goes on to effect my 2 barrelling, 3 barrelling and value lines.

It's all in the post flop. Change your preflop only when they're not allowing you to see flops. Otherwise you lose good opportunities to make money.

And if they're unbluffable super loose stations, playing lots of hands gives you more opportunities to make top pair and bet, bet, bet

Takes a lot of discipline to not do spazzy shit though. My mental game is my weakest point.

Oh, and k2o4, my offer to sweat you still stands. I play 30/24/3(if you didn't already know that) and am pretty good at explaining myself on the fly. I'm sure I can help

On January 09 2009 21:04 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: Show nested quote + On January 09 2009 18:47 palak wrote: [QUOTE]On January 09 2009 18:41 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: Doesn't it stand to reason that if you can rape them postflop you'd want to play as many hands as you reasonably can post flop? And if they're unbluffable super loose stations, playing lots of hands gives you more opportunities to make top pair and bet, bet, bet

I find myself getting fucked by doing just that w/ like TPTK or bottom two where i go bet bet bet and they just call call call and show a better two pair...so now I wait for a good starting hand before i get into a hand where I know if I hit TPTK+ I am getting my stack in for value.

Can't tell u how many times I have like AT on a T5384 board and get shown T3

There is a world of difference between "do not bluff because they don't fold" and "selectively value bet because they won't raise you with 2 pair and give you info".

And if you can't 3 barrel TPTK vs anybody you deem a calling station, perhaps you have the wrong read? Or are being results oriented

I mean, if you play a lot, you'll triple barrel a lot for value and get shown something better. You can't let it effect your overall strategy though. It's all about EV.

It's more of like if i triple barrel for value and get shown some crap ass hand that beats me i know i'll go and tilt and spew more money so I try to just avoid situtations that are going to be tilt inducing

That seems like a really, really bad way to go about it. Should just work on your mental game. Was always my biggest leak.

25/22 over 2k hands doenst say toooooooooo much but it's good to know you are opening up your game.

I've played 23/20 over 40k hands on 1/2. Sure it's more profitable to play a bit looser since they will pay off the big hands but you have to remember that you are getting shoved/called light. Which isn't a problem at all, but it increases variance a lot. Which is probably the reason why I like a nitty br management )))))))))))))!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also once AK becomes to nuts vs some people you are basicly often flipping or just a 65/35 favorite against them. Having a few bad days can be pretty bad.

But a few examples of how this can be very profitable:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/601671
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/600282