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k2o4 United States. Jan 26 2009 17:08. Posts 4803 | | |
I remember about 1 year ago @ NL100 3betting was pretty rare and overall similar to NL50. The people who did 3bet a bit more were usually regs or maniacs. I remember beating NL100 at that time without ever making a single 4bet bluff or putting someone on a 4bet bluff. Basically a 4bet was the nuts. 3bets were usually strong and rarely bluffs. At least that's how I saw it and remember it.
Then I got HEM. At that point nearly all regs were using PT2 + PAHUD so I gained a quick advantage. The most major one - I got a 3bet stat, which is something the regs using PT2 didn't have. Till then I'd been taking notes on people and recording every time they 3bet and what position they did it from and a bunch of other shit. Then when I got 3bet I'd look in their notes to see how often it had happened. That was a pain in the ass to do. Now I had a 3bet stat on HEM and as I learned what was a high % and what was a low one, I started 4betting light.
Untill PT3 came out most people I knew were using PT2 + PAHUD and they had no idea that HEM had a 3bet stat. Then PT3 launched and lots of people upgraded and finally, all the regs had a 3bet stat. I think this had a huge affect on the games. (Also, on a kinda funny side note, I think a lot of people realized how much more stuff they could use that the old PT2 + PAHUD setup didn't give em, and when PT3 came out and sucked lots of people tried out HEM and that's what got HEM so popular.)
Anyway, ever since all the regs got a 3bet stat 4betting light has become huge. 3betting light has gone up like crazy too. Now regs @ NL100 will 3bet/4bet light all the time. It's funny cause sometimes I drop to NL50 for a stress free session and if I run into a NL100 reg down there we go right into the same old 3bet/4bet game.
I might be wrong but that's my view on what happened. I think when PT3 came out it totally changed the dynamic of reg vs reg on NL100 for sure, maybe even NL50, and things have gotten much weirder and crazier. Sakisaki was reviewing one of my sessions and we saw a like 17/14 nit reg 5bet shove on the button vs my cutoff 3bet and he had K8s. We were both surprised to see it from such a nit but it just goes to show that reg on reg has totally changed and I think it's cause of that damn 3bet stat. Fucking PT3 ruining it for those of us who had HEM first!
Oh well =)
On another note, I had my first big session in forever and won 5 BI over about 800 hands. Still wanna play at least 2 more times today so that's plenty of time to lose it all. But if I manage to keep winning I could finally break 5k. I'm at 4.9k right now and my plan for the week is to do NL100 only till friday, at which point I'll consider adding in some NL200 tables if I'm up to it. If I run well I could be close to 6k by Friday so that would pwn. Gonna hope that happens =)
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palak United States. Jan 26 2009 17:19. Posts 4601 | | |
avg 100nl reg 3bet=3%
avg 200nl reg 3bet=7%
avg 400nl reg 3bet=10%
pattern? |
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vlseph United States. Jan 26 2009 17:23. Posts 3026 | | |
i remember one of the dang brothers talking about stuff like 25/50 or something being easy all you had to do was 3 bet in position light and cbet to take down a pot so often.
nowadays there are people like me somewhat struggling through micros!
but yeah online poker has changed a lot from what i've read (i'm a newbie in this world) and i wish i got into it years ago when even high stakes games were considered soft. now everyone's getting better so fast and there's all this information on poker available to everyone, it's much tougher now  |
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CrownRoyal United States. Jan 26 2009 17:26. Posts 11386 | | | |
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palak United States. Jan 26 2009 17:36. Posts 4601 | | |
| | On January 26 2009 16:26 CrownRoyal wrote:
5bet lighter imo |
ello variance |
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Uptown . Jan 26 2009 17:37. Posts 3557 | | |
3/4 betting light has been a concept I've been wanting to explore and understand for a few weeks now.
Thanks for your thoughts, definitely makes me want to 'figure out' (so to speak) the what, when, why of 3/4 betting. |
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CrownRoyal United States. Jan 26 2009 17:56. Posts 11386 | | |
3/4 betting light is just to tilt the fuck out of people and get paid off when you have hands |
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k2o4 United States. Jan 26 2009 17:56. Posts 4803 | | |
| | On January 26 2009 16:19 palak wrote:
avg 100nl reg 3bet=3%
avg 200nl reg 3bet=7%
avg 400nl reg 3bet=10%
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You think? Not from what I've seen. Most NL100 regs I've seen are like btwn 5-7%, with some nitty ones under 3% |
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CrownRoyal United States. Jan 26 2009 18:10. Posts 11386 | | |
well i retract my previous statement, some people are really exploitable in 3b pots and stuff but it's good for your image to get paid off if you know what you're doing |
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YoMeR United States. Jan 26 2009 18:25. Posts 12438 | | |
uhh if they really 3betting/4betting that light vs you and you build up that dynamics just stove a few ranges and find out what will be the optimal shove ranges for you over their 4 bets and what hands you'll 3bet/fold 3bet/5bet with etc.
poker is easy...sometimes. |
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geometryb United States. Jan 26 2009 18:27. Posts 413 | | |
you usually dont need stats to tell someone is 3betting you light. |
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geometryb United States. Jan 26 2009 18:28. Posts 413 | | | |
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k2o4 United States. Jan 26 2009 18:34. Posts 4803 | | |
| | On January 26 2009 17:25 YoMeR wrote:
uhh if they really 3betting/4betting that light vs you and you build up that dynamics just stove a few ranges and find out what will be the optimal shove ranges for you over their 4 bets and what hands you'll 3bet/fold 3bet/5bet with etc.
poker is easy...sometimes. |
thanks yomer =)
this wasn't a post about needing help. I'm fine with it. Just thinking about how that 3bet stat appearing changed the game for reg vs reg. Before it was harder to tell if you were being 3bet light and peoples fold to 3bet frequencies. |
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Sicks Macks United States. Jan 26 2009 19:01. Posts 3929 | | |
Nothing feels better than 4betting light into a timedown/fold |
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Oddeye Canada. Jan 26 2009 19:04. Posts 5107 | | |
average reg have like 6-7% at NL400, ofc the really aggressive one have more but 10% seems fairly wild, anything over can probably be exploited |
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Twisted  Netherlands. Jan 26 2009 19:48. Posts 10422 | | |
Word. I have most problems with people who 3bet like 8%. |
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k2o4 United States. Jan 26 2009 20:39. Posts 4803 | | |
| | On January 26 2009 18:48 Twisted wrote:
Word. I have most problems with people who 3bet like 8%. |
yeah 8% is probably ideal, especially if you can play well postflop |
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