k2o4   United States. Feb 06 2009 15:12. Posts 4803
First I admit that I am not an economist. I have a very basic understanding of what's going on with this depression, what caused it and how to fix it. What I do know is that I spent a shitload of time researching Obama before voting for him and the #1 reason I supported him was because I believed he was extremely intelligent and capable of listening to all sides of a debate and finding the right solution. I deeply believe he doesn't pick a side due to politics and will listen to Republicans just as much as he does to democrats and take the good ideas from both sides. He already has the most diverse cabinet with more members of the opposite party in like 30 years. He's reached out to republicans like crazy and given them his ear, and they have nearly all complemented his performance. I think he's living up to what I believed he would do.
Basically I'm saying that in areas where I am not an expert, I trust Obama to make the decisions for me. I trust that he will get the best experts on the area together and get the best advice necessary. I believe he is intelligent enough to fully understand what these experts are saying, and that he is capable of seeing a much larger picture for the future and the long term, which I think is crucial. And I believe he will look at the advice objectively and filter out the partisan crap from both sides.
Take those beliefs and add to them the fact that everything I have heard about Obama's plan for a stimulus bill sounds good to me, and I'm backing him 100% here. My understanding is that Obama has a huge focus on getting Americans back to work doing jobs that will improve this country and set us up to be much better off in the long run, with a focus on green energy, breaking dependence on foreign oil, and infrastructure.
I know we need to do something. Things are bad and getting worse. It's scary driving around my neighborhood. There's houses for sale everywhere, apartments for rent, and closed businesses. I live in an area that 1 year ago was having a bit of a boom as people were throwing money into rebuilding it and businesses were moving in like crazy. It was on its way to being a new Denver hot spot. Today I see several businesses which have been here for over 50 years closed down, most of the new places that opened up are now empty, and lots of new buildings that were just built still are looking for tenants. It's pretty scary to see. Something needs to be done and I believe in Obama's plan on how to get things back on track. I don't expect any sort of instant fix and I know things will get worse before they get better, but if we can turn this challenge into an opportunity to pave a path to a prosperous future where we're not dependent on foreign oil, where we have green energy, where we have good affordable healthcare, and where all Americans are getting a fair shake and have the opportunity to achieve the American dream once again, then I am on board.
So here's his speech on the stimulus which I watched and thought was great. Below are some excerpts that I thought were very good, plus the entire speech in a spoiler.
(Speech starts out with jokes and thank you's so you might wanna skip that part by going to about 2:40)
So just as past generations of Americans have done in trying times, we can and must turn this moment of challenge into one of opportunity. The plan that you've passed has at its core a simple idea: let's put Americans to work doing the work that America needs done.
This plan will save or create over three million jobs - almost all of them in the private sector.
This plan will put people to work rebuilding our crumbling roads and bridges; our dangerously deficient dams and levees.
This plan will put people to work modernizing our health care system, not only saving us billions of dollars, but countless lives.
This plan will put people to work renovating more than 10,000 schools, giving millions of children the chance to learn in 21st century classrooms, libraries, and labs - and to all the scientists in the room today, you know what that means for America's future.
This plan will provide sensible tax relief for the struggling middle-class, unemployment insurance and continued health care coverage for those who've lost their jobs, and it will help prevent our states and local communities from laying off firefighters, teachers, and police.
Finally, this plan will begin to end the tyranny of oil in our time. It doubles our capacity to generate alternative sources of energy like wind, solar, and biofuels in three years. It saves taxpayers billions of dollars by making federal buildings more energy efficient, and it saves the average working family hundreds on their energy bills. After decades of empty rhetoric, that is the down payment that we need on energy independence.
It's great to be here with so many friends. I'm glad to see the House Democratic Caucus is getting by just fine without my Chief of Staff. I want to thank John Larson for inviting me here tonight. This is John's first conference as Chairman of the Democratic Caucus, so we're both new at this.
I want to acknowledge the great Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, who has proven to be an extraordinary leader for the American people. I want to thank Nancy, Steny Hoyer, Jim Clyburn and the entire caucus for your hard work in passing an economic recovery plan that is so desperately needed for our country.
You acted with a discipline that matches the urgency and gravity of the crisis we face. Because you know what's at stake. Every weekend you go home to your districts and you see factories that are closing and small businesses shutting their doors. You hear from families losing their homes; students that can't pay tuition; seniors who worry about whether they can retire with dignity, or see their kids and grandkids lead the better life that must be America's promise.
So you went to work, and you did your job. For that, you have my appreciation and admiration. As we meet here tonight, we know there is more work to be done. The Senate is still acting. And after it has its final vote, we will still need to resolve differences between the House and Senate bills. I urge you to complete that work without delay.
Look, I value the constructive criticism and healthy debate that is a foundation of American democracy. I don't think any of us have cornered the market on wisdom, or that good ideas are the province of any party. The American people know that our challenges are great. They're not expecting Democratic solutions or Republican solutions - they want American solutions. And I have said that to those who have criticized the plan.
But what I have also said is - don't come to table with the same tired arguments and worn ideas that helped create this crisis.
We're not going to get relief by turning back to the very same policies that in eight short years doubled the national debt and threw our economy into a tailspin. We can't embrace the losing formula that offers more tax cuts as the only answer to every problem we face, while ignoring critical challenges like our addiction to foreign oil, the soaring cost of health care, failing schools and crumbling bridges, roads and levees. I don't care whether you're driving a hybrid or an SUV - if you're headed for a cliff, you have to change direction.
The American people are watching. They did not send us here to get bogged down with the same old delay and distractions. They did not vote for the false theories of the past. They did not vote for the status quo - they sent us here to bring change, and we owe it to them to act. This is the moment for leadership that matches the great test of our time.
If we do not move swiftly to sign the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act into law, an economy that is in crisis will be faced with catastrophe. Millions more Americans will lose their jobs. Home will be lost. Families will go without health care. Our crippling dependence on foreign oil will continue. That is the price of inaction.
This isn't some abstract debate. Last week, we learned that many of America's largest corporations are planning to layoff tens off tens of thousands of workers. Today, we learned that last week, the number of new unemployment claims jumped to 626,000. And tomorrow, we're expecting another dismal jobs report on top of the 2.6 million jobs we lost last year.
For you, those aren't statistics. They are constituents you know and families that you care about. Now, I believe that legislation of such magnitude deserves the scrutiny that it's received, and you will get another chance to vote for this bill in the days to come. But I urge all of us to not make the perfect the enemy of the absolutely necessary. The scale and scope of this plan is right.
So just as past generations of Americans have done in trying times, we can and must turn this moment of challenge into one of opportunity. The plan that you've passed has at its core a simple idea: let's put Americans to work doing the work that America needs done.
This plan will save or create over three million jobs - almost all of them in the private sector.
This plan will put people to work rebuilding our crumbling roads and bridges; our dangerously deficient dams and levees.
This plan will put people to work modernizing our health care system, not only saving us billions of dollars, but countless lives.
This plan will put people to work renovating more than 10,000 schools, giving millions of children the chance to learn in 21st century classrooms, libraries, and labs - and to all the scientists in the room today, you know what that means for America's future.
This plan will provide sensible tax relief for the struggling middle-class, unemployment insurance and continued health care coverage for those who've lost their jobs, and it will help prevent our states and local communities from laying off firefighters, teachers, and police.
Finally, this plan will begin to end the tyranny of oil in our time. It doubles our capacity to generate alternative sources of energy like wind, solar, and biofuels in three years. It saves taxpayers billions of dollars by making federal buildings more energy efficient, and it saves the average working family hundreds on their energy bills. After decades of empty rhetoric, that is the down payment that we need on energy independence.
You know, there's a lot about running for President that is difficult - I don't miss sleeping in a different bed every night, or not seeing my kids as much as I'd like. But the best thing about being a candidate is that you get to see the country, and you get to know the character of the American people.
Over the last two years, I visited almost all fifty states. I've been in so many of your districts. I've passed through towns and cities, farms and factories. I know that people are hurting. I've heard their stories, and I've sensed their deep frustration. But I also know that these struggles have not diminished the strength and decency of the American people.
We hold within our hands the capacity to do great things on their behalf. It starts with this economic recovery plan. And soon, we will take on big issues like addressing the foreclosure issue, passing a budget, tackling our fiscal problems, fixing financial regulation and securing our country. We must not approach these challenges as Democrats - we must overcome them as Americans. That is why we must work in a serious, substantive, and civil way to build bipartisan support for action.
I promise you that my door is open, and my Administration will consult closely with you - the peoples' representatives - as we take on pressing priorities like energy and health care; education and infrastructure.
Already, you have made a difference. I'm pleased that in my very first days in office, I signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, to make sure that all of our daughters have the same opportunity as our sons. I signed the Children's Health Insurance Program to provide coverage to 11 million children, and to make a down payment on comprehensive health care reform. I know it wasn't easy - it was a long time coming, and I appreciate your hard work over several years on behalf of America's children.
Tonight, I am confident that if we continue to work together, we can fulfill the promise of health care that is affordable for all Americans. We can create that new energy economy. We can provide a world-class education for our kids. We can unleash the talent, and innovation of the American people to compete in the 21st century. We can do all of that.
Now, we have a choice to make. Future generations will look back, and they will ask what we did when we confronted this crisis. What will they say?
Will they say that - once again - we failed to make the tough choices that lead to progress? Or will they say that this was the time that we came together, that we found our stake in one another as Americans, and that we voted for bold and aggressive action?
Together, we hold in our hands enormous responsibility. We also have an enormous opportunity.
We can write that next great chapter in American history. If we stay focused on the big picture; if we never forget the people who we are fighting for; if we represent the strength and dignity of the American people, then I know we can answer's history's call and renew America's promise.
Thank you.
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Sheitan   Canada. Feb 06 2009 16:06. Posts 4217
While i do think Obama was the most ev+ move the americans could make in this very precise situation, he's not the messiah and can't make miracles. Bush administration fucked all of us pretty bad (and more the americans), and it will take a couple of years before we get back on our feet, but we will. So far, Obama seems to do what he said he'd do and i hope he keeps working with his team and soften the blows.
Odds are exactly 50%, either happens or it doesnt
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seatown12   United States. Feb 06 2009 19:13. Posts 1193
The problem I have is that he and the Democratic leadership in Congress are lumping all the projects they want into the "stimulus" bill whether or not they are directly related to actually stimulating the economy. People will accept deep deficits if they believe it is necessary to fix the economic downturn, and the Dems are taking advantage of that to pass their entire agenda, which is why few Republicans are in favor of the bill. Obama has shown token bipartisanship by having a few Republicans to the White House for parties and crap but when it comes to policy he has been pretty liberal, and his choices for cabinet positions have been strikingly old-guard Democrat. In general Obama has done little to dissuade me of my initial impression that he was a big talker.
Im like a motherfucking bulletproof tiger
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TheTank   United States. Feb 06 2009 19:16. Posts 830
FDR's new deal caused it...
yes, it helped fix the great depression, but this is the aftermath. They are giving away sooooo much money in welfare (started by FDR) and you can't just take welfare away...i mean if i gave you $100 a week to make a living off of, and thats how you got by, and i just take it away from you and cut you off, arent you going to be pissed?
*edit*
tl;dr (except for the first 2 lines)
sigh...its like they are throwing money out of a helicopter and i dont have any hands...so i just break even.
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TheTank   United States. Feb 06 2009 19:18. Posts 830
On February 06 2009 18:13 TedHastings wrote:
The problem I have is that he and the Democratic leadership in Congress are lumping all the projects they want into the "stimulus" bill whether or not they are directly related to actually stimulating the economy. People will accept deep deficits if they believe it is necessary to fix the economic downturn, and the Dems are taking advantage of that to pass their entire agenda, which is why few Republicans are in favor of the bill. Obama has shown token bipartisanship by having a few Republicans to the White House for parties and crap but when it comes to policy he has been pretty liberal, and his choices for cabinet positions have been strikingly old-guard Democrat. In general Obama has done little to dissuade me of my initial impression that he was a big talker.
if i remember correctly, rep's were unanimous along with 11 dem's with "nay" votes
sigh...its like they are throwing money out of a helicopter and i dont have any hands...so i just break even.
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k2o4   United States. Feb 06 2009 19:34. Posts 4803
ted i'm curious what you think is "pork" in there that is just dem agenda rather than helpful stimulus? obv some of the house tried to slip shit in but I felt like they caught the stupidest stuff, but republicans kept bitching and giving ridiculous examples.