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vlseph   United States. Feb 24 2009 04:00. Posts 3026
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=B28C73QJ

So here I am playing 4 tables and the video is about 90 minutes long, I always forget to keep track of time. It's a bad habit. I do talk about everything 4kingell commented on from the last video and I do get into a couple more interesting situations. There are a couple spots where I wasn't sure what to do, and just folded instead.

Anyone who takes their time to watch and comment is greatly appreciated

Next video I will just play Stars to show you how bad I run there.

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Zalfor   United States. Feb 24 2009 04:41. Posts 2236

folding is never wrong.

unless u have the nuts


longple    Sweden. Feb 24 2009 05:22. Posts 4472

im not really a pro or anything but I do think you should make the same CB and preflop bettingsizes

make it 3x or 3.5x (pot) with all hands instead of having different ones for your weak/strong hands... Pretty easy to exploit for other nl25 regs I think, as when you made 4x or even 6x vs 1 a limper with a strong hands and then only made it 3x with 88 UTG. A watching eye will but you on weaker hands who wanna see cheaper flops when you make it smaller then normally.

Guess its not to big of a problem at NL25 but atleast I love to connect ppls betting/CB sizings on handranges when I play if I see some kind of repeating pattern. I mean, its pretty nice information because you kinda turn your cards face up.

I play 20NL and 50NL aswell and I try to take notes of betting tells. And I think ppl who is decent will take adtantage of that and float ur weak CB's all day long and take it away from you on the turn/raise you if you make it ur CB halfpot with air and like 5/6 with strong hands, everytime, need to balance it somehow ^^

The call with 88, 17min in vs that passive fish was not to good I think. Its always hard to put bad players on hands when they do that "min 3bet thing" sometimes its AA sometimes its like, 44 or A9 or whatever and it makes no sense. But when he instacalls ur weak steal attempt I think you should be done with the hand, even against his small valuebet on river. I guess he could have AK, they do like to instacall with gutshots and bluff when missed but in those marginal spots.. Dont really think he's valuebetting 77 there

Dunno if thats very good advice but atleast having different size on CB's and preflop connected to the strenght of your hand is a leak I think. I guess vs complete fish who dosnt pay attention using different CB sizes is ok? but still, I think you should stick to the 3.5x potbutton preflop, saves you money in the long run.

Didnt watch it all but thats what I noticed atleast : )

 Last edit: 24/02/2009 05:26

4Kingell   United Kingdom. Feb 24 2009 08:00. Posts 1453

I think there's split opinion on the PF bet sizing varying. There is no issue with making CO/Button bets smaller than UTG raises as long as you always do it and it isn't related to hand strength. Having said that many people just make a standard bet size and I'm sure that's fine too. I do think that 4x every time is a leak though - I think it should be 3.5x or pot. Your argument re having bigger pots is not valid imo as you are not getting value PF (unless reraised which we aren't talking about), you get value on the next 3 streets, where you should have time to maximise value. I am sure this is a leak.

Your comments about SC's - I think that's fair enough - not raising weak SC's in EP and calling IP for multi-way pots - agreed.

I didn't get time to watch it all but a couple of comments:

26 mins - bottom right table - your A4s in SB I think - effective CO opens, fish button calls (both cover you) - I think you should call here. This is a bit like the SC's in a multiway pot. You get in cheap and have opportunity to win a big pot. This happens once or twice later too.

36ish mins - the QQ hand top right I think - you wanted comments and I think it was fine and your logic was spot on. No way is there a 2 in his hand - only thing that beats you here is 88 given PF play.

41 mins - the TT hand bottom left. I am unsure how best to play this. I would probably 3bet PF but I think a call is fine too. As played when the FD completes on the turn, even though he checked back the A high flop, I think makes it better to try to get to showdown. His play is a little odd as it's a great board to cbet but he doesn't - not sure if you have cbet stats on him. I think if he doesn't have the flush then he is unlikely to bet it as he hasn't bet the A high flop and you can call a small river bet as you have ok showdown value. As played I think the fold is good.

And I disagree with longple on flexing cbet sizes. I think you should and adjust if someone does try to exploit it - at 25NL/50NL I think it hardly ever gets noticed.

Edit: - 90 mins is a bit long....

If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles. Sun Tzu Last edit: 24/02/2009 08:09

SpasticInk   Sweden. Feb 24 2009 08:44. Posts 6298

varying your preflopsizing is nothing wrong, especially if they don't adjust (which they probably don't at these stakes). i do it positionally (raise more utg/ep compared to co/btn) BUT i don't think it's wrong to vary it depending on your hand strength as well. if there is a donkey playing 85/5 there is nothing wrong with bumping up your raises preflop since he will call no matter what.

haven't watchted the video tough, and even tough longple has some points when it comes to predicticbility I dont think you should start thinking of "rules of thumbs" (always do this) because depending on your table (like full of donks? )you can adjust and play face up and get away with it.


longple    Sweden. Feb 24 2009 09:27. Posts 4472

aslong as you mix it up atleast^^

so u cb weakish sometimes for value aswell as not only to try and steal it cheap, and throw in some bigger CB on good CB boards and stuff as steals aswell as for value. and stuff.

ofc for isolating donkeys and stuff I sometimes make it like 6-10x in some sick cases if i have like TT+ or something when I know he is limpcalling with any2 and stuff ^^

it wasnt meant as a rule of thumb to always make the same betsizes and stuff, but its something to keep in mind to try and balance it and not make like halfpot cb with air and full pot with good hands, ALWAYS. Was just a tip =D as long as you mix it up yo!


 



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