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Jimmit   Sweden. Apr 29 2009 09:49. Posts 43
Okey, I was writing yesterday about I was playing on NL5 with only $20 in my bankroll. I was criticized for it, and I took it to me, need to follow BRM even on this stakes.

So, I've been sitting and playing on NL2 in nearly 4 hours and have played nearly 1100 hands at the moment. I think it has gone very bad, but I'm up so seems not so bad. Up around one bi, playing like this:

Hands: 1077
7.85bb/100
VPIP%: 28
PFR%: 17.6
WTSD%: 32.6
3bet%: 4.9
W$SD: 59.1
Agg: 1.46
Agg%: 18.5

Is this stats ok at this stakes?

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 Last edit: 29/04/2009 10:26

Nazgul    Netherlands. Apr 29 2009 10:12. Posts 7080

I think it has gone very bad

7.85bb/100

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Neutral Milk   Belgium. Apr 29 2009 10:13. Posts 103

If your just starting out your probly playing too many hands if your not that good postflop yet. just play like a nit PF and learn to vbet well and ull make ¢¢¢¢¢


Critterer   United Kingdom. Apr 29 2009 10:13. Posts 5337

Start by playing tighter and playing your big hands strong and fast, this is an "easier" way to play since you will get into a LOT less difficult postflop situations.

Call less preflop too, 11% between VPIP and PFR is definitely not optimal and according to your aggression % you are playing too passively if this is really your % stat. 1.46 is pretty passive too, probably stems from you playing weaker hands and having to check/fold or slow down a lot on dangerous boards.

Try multi-tabling a few tables instead of just 1 and tightening up preflop to something like 16/12

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rollercoaster   Canada. Apr 29 2009 11:02. Posts 19

also, when you have a very strong hand - don't be afraid to be betting like 150-200% of the pot.

hell, if there's a four card straight to the board and you hold the nuts (kq on x8910j) dont be afraid to just shove $2 into 20 cent pots or whatever. you'd be surprised how often people will call you with 7, q, two pair, etc.

same goes with flushes. basically, bet the shit out of any strong hands.


failsafe   United States. Apr 29 2009 11:26. Posts 1040

if you have more money to deposit then play NL10 or NL5 if you want to. If you don't have more money to deposit then everyone's advice is good.

There's merit in playing NL2. There's also merit in enjoying yourself, and if you enjoy playing NL10 or whatever more than you enjoy playing NL2, then play NL10. BR management is a good habit, and discipline is important to succeeding at poker, but if these aren't the last $50 to your name and you don't care about losing them, then play whatever you want. Super strict bankroll management is really not important for a negligible amount of money and I think it's really ridiculous for people to be so critical of ignoring BR management at NL5.

If these are your last $50 then obviously you shouldn't be playing at all so let's assume that they're not and just say that you really should just play whatever you prefer. Of course I wouldn't advocate playing NL$1k if your BR is $4k and $4k is a lot of money to you, but frankly I have a hard time understanding why BR management is so important when your BR is $20. "Just getting in the habit" is not really a convincing reason.


k2o4   United States. Apr 29 2009 11:32. Posts 4803

why 3bet so much... usually people won't ever fold to a 3bet at that level so just 3bet with good value hands.

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longple    Sweden. Apr 29 2009 13:19. Posts 4472

or he can 3bet more hands for value? -.-


rockman255   Canada. Apr 29 2009 15:48. Posts 4471

well fail, my other big kinda thing is that, when you talk about moving up levels, i'm totally of the school of thought that you should be moving up PRIMARILY on your edge over the game and NOT on your bankroll.

so, in the case of a beginning player, they really should start from square one, and work their way up. its more of an overall development thing imo, this is all along the lines of if you actually want to become a good poker player at some point.

bankroll management and game development is kind of a one-two punch here, and i completely acknowledge that say, if you are like a 5ptbb winner at nl200 on another website, then sure you can probably afford to, and probably even have a reasonable chance of not going busto at like, nl50 on another site with 8 bi.

i would much rather start from the lowest games, see how they are, and work my way up, than start from "ohh i think i can probably handle this game" and work my way DOWN in stakes.

i know im kind of exaggerating here with nl10 but you know i know multiple people from starcraft and wow and stuff who decided to sit down at say, nl100, with like no experience, and to some degree i really feel like sitting down at nl10 is just as bad if you've hardly ever played the game. the player pool is alot stronger for sure.

and of course i am not going to fault anyone for having fun, but. i'm nit picky and im always going to give advice to actually become a better poker player. :o i mean, if you want to play under rolled and higher stakes, you might as well just go hit up a slot machine.

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rockman255   Canada. Apr 29 2009 15:53. Posts 4471

oh. and those stats look pretty okay. but its very key that you let us know whether it is 6-max or 9-max tables that you are playing on, although im assuming 6-max :O

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