Goin to Grand Junction

sigh

-I'm not a Glen Beck fan
-I'm not a Palin fan
-I'm not a Colbert fan
-I'm not a Jon Stewart fan
-I'm not an Obama fan
-townhall meetings are often not looney at all
-lol at thinking Obama has humility enough to be willing to just give up his Presidency

nice kool aid

oh I should also say I didn't read the article or watch the vids, I just skimread this and your mob is still much bigger than "mine" as well as you have all the big guns so don't be afraid =]

fear is the mind killer ^^

I guess if I had one question to ask a heckler at one of these meetings it would be "do you have any idea what you are talking about?" I would simply challenge them to produce arguments of their own without breaking eye contact. If they mention "cronies in washington" I'd challenge it, have them explain moment by moment what they know about people buying out democrats in congress to win favors. Then when they go on to "the dismantling of the constitution" I would challenge that too in exactly the same manner. I would have them explain which articles are being "dismantled" in what manner and to what end. Finally I would probably quiz them in their knowledge of current socialized services in this country, other countries, and have them compare their success/failure rates before making a final judgement on healthcare, making sure to see if they have actually had to rely on our current healthcare system yet.

On August 14 2009 15:29 ToTehEastSide wrote: -lol at thinking Obama has humility enough to be willing to just give up his Presidency

Standard you starting a debate due to your inability to understand what was being said. The idea is that he's not going to back down on healthcare no matter how much drama the lunatics try to bring and if the smear campaigns work and he loses his popularity, he's fine with that as long as health care gets passed. I never said he was gonna just step down if healthcare didn't pass, that's ridiculous.

On August 14 2009 16:35 NewbSaibot wrote: I guess if I had one question to ask a heckler at one of these meetings it would be "do you have any idea what you are talking about?" I would simply challenge them to produce arguments of their own without breaking eye contact. If they mention "cronies in washington" I'd challenge it, have them explain moment by moment what they know about people buying out democrats in congress to win favors. Then when they go on to "the dismantling of the constitution" I would challenge that too in exactly the same manner. I would have them explain which articles are being "dismantled" in what manner and to what end. Finally I would probably quiz them in their knowledge of current socialized services in this country, other countries, and have them compare their success/failure rates before making a final judgement on healthcare, making sure to see if they have actually had to rely on our current healthcare system yet.

From the clips I saw of the hecklers there was a lot of "I'm afraid of Obama" stuff going on, which really seems to be the core reason for all of the drama. It's not about healthcare, it's that they're scared of Obama. lolol

hola amigo

ugh

ok, let's look at what you said

"And I like the fact that he's willing to be a 1 term president if it means getting health care reformed."

this is the sentence that prompted the response you quoted and it's completely naive and not a fact at all
this statement is called bullshit my friend
it's nothing more than a car salesman line
as well as this..

"The idea is that he's not going to back down on healthcare no matter how much drama the lunatics try to bring and if the smear campaigns work and he loses his popularity, he's fine with that as long as health care gets passed."

this idea and direction is just so grand isn't it
awww god u know ur right
Obama is just so wonderfully wonderful as he rams policy, circumvents rights, deludes our wealth and pumps even more government intervention into the system at even a faster rate than his predecessor
it's just wonderful!
it all fits!
Obama just needs to force feed those ignorant fools!
yes, that's right...the king has spoken
he's doing it all for us!
the greater good!
just like we need to make sure to occupy and destroy those big bad countries and force ourselves and way of life upon other nations
yes yes! that's it! democracy for the win!
51% rule the 49% lunatics!

^ is me attempting to talk to u in troll
trolling aside, you mean well, I know this
both "sides" always mean well
I even mean well
but your movement is being fed on and it's very shortsighted and you aren't going to give up in it no matter what I say
u've logically got it all figured out and u don't yet see the oppression that isn't going to work
u are so seriously spun up it's funny and yet very sad all in one
you "democrats" have a big majority so quit blaming the right if this doesn't get passed

til the end of time I guess I gotta keep saying to you I see rights and lefts as one and the same but it seems you are still way to far off to ever see that
I'm sure MSM Glen Beck and crew who just lay that "opposing view" right out there on the table for you help that along
On FOX u get that nice, one view of "the enemy," and boy are those guys ever the loons
no way could a rational thinker ever side with that..
/scoffs
I sincerely hope that made sense to you as I just explained as short as possible one of the main reasons why I dislike MSM

basically I unfortunately am at this moment of the notion, let's let the federal gov continue and give "the people" what they just don't know they want and watch the chaos ensue
even tho I'm sure it's going to be alllll my fault when u get burned, unfortunately we as a nation are so dumb we are like a child that must touch the stove in order to learn just how hot it is
but don't get me wrong, I'm still very optimistic
at least maybe this way when we cut to the bone of the nation people will see what it is that is really causing the problems and fall back to whats really important
and as for the chaos I'll be ok and I'll wait and watch and be one of the first to help when it's over
that my friend, is standard

forgive my grammar, punctuation etc but I only spent 48 minutes on that
time is of an essence
/tips hat
[edit]
ok I had to brush it up at least some hehe

to hopefully save u alot of heartache and help prevent that chance of chaos at u at ur townhall meeting
watch this before u go so u can understand the meat of whats happening and where MOST of these ppl are coming from instead of focusing on the fringe incidents that obviously by this blog post have u at least somewhat afraid
even if this clip is on hannity
I give credit where credit is due
it's not perfect but it's a good enough cliffnotes version imo



basically do the opposite of Aibot =P
be able to provide to people the reasons for government involvement in every area of peoples lives
from swine flu, to bailouts, to health care etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
if you want the government to be the solver of everything then u sure as hell better be able to back up why in the areas of involvement because you are dealing with EVERYONES MONEY
it is not for me to prove to the government why we don't need it but you to provide why we do
as I said before, most people just want to be left alone

hey I know a good way
be able to prove to people how Obama is different than Bush!
hahahahahahhahhahahahhahahhahahahahah
srry couldn't help it
I blame the beer

have fun~

On August 14 2009 21:42 ToTehEastSide wrote: to hopefully save u alot of heartache and help prevent that chance of chaos at u at ur townhall meeting watch this before u go so u can understand the meat of whats happening and where MOST of these ppl are coming from instead of focusing on the fringe incidents that obviously by this blog post have u at least somewhat afraid even if this clip is on hannity I give credit where credit is due it's not perfect but it's a good enough cliffnotes version imo basically do the opposite of Aibot =P be able to provide to people the reasons for government involvement in every area of peoples lives from swine flu, to bailouts, to health care etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc if you want the government to be the solver of everything then u sure as hell better be able to back up why in the areas of involvement because you are dealing with EVERYONES MONEY it is not for me to prove to the government why we don't need it but you to provide why we do as I said before, most people just want to be left alone

How ironic, we both use the same clips to prove completely opposite points lol.

that's another standard =P
and I'm really glad we can do that equally aren't u?
but I didn't see you use that clip nor did I see your opposite points Newb
where or what are they?
is it that all those people in that video are crazy? that these people have gone mad? or maybe they are based off self interest? maybe they are all part of one big conspiracy?
if those are your points (not saying they are, I'm just assuming some opposites cuz I don't know) then I'm cutting u off
no more kool-aid for u -- u've had enough to drink

On August 14 2009 19:04 ToTehEastSide wrote: forgive my grammar, punctuation etc but I only spent 48 minutes on that time is of an essence /tips hat [edit] ok I had to brush it up at least some hehe

jesus, that was the cleaned up version? I'd hate to read the original cause that shit was a crazy ramble that made very little sense.

You're still impossible to argue with so I'm not gonna try =)

I didn't "clean up" much except a few words
didn't add or take away any sentences/thoughts

but ya, I'm impossible
that's the real standard isn't it

he's so willing! it's just those dammable republicans! lol

"WASHINGTON – Bowing to Republican pressure and an uneasy public, President Barack Obama's administration signaled Sunday it is ready to abandon the idea of giving Americans the option of government-run insurance as part of a new health care system."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul

and just for the record..
I only came into this blog and tried to talk to u because of the third sentence in ur op

fucking yahoo
look how they changed that article

"WASHINGTON – Former Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean, a leading figure in the liberal wing of his party, said Monday he doubts there can be meaningful health care reform without a direct government role."

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ah I see what yahoo does now
that link is for their frontpage of diff sections and so when a new pertaining article comes up the old one gets moved/archived
I don't really like that method but here's the correct link
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090817/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_overhaul_24