To Saki & Nolan

Lastly is something a little different.. It's something that I hope we can discuss openly without flaming of characteristics. What do you guys think of the Obama joker posters?
If you don't know what I am referring to, I'll post a couple of pics and videos to get you up to speed.

wait... before I do that, I want to attempt go ahead and completely nix and obliterate the racial card out from this discussion.
If you really think that Obama as The Joker is a racial thing, click on the spoiler
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These were before our current president

To blend my non-racial points of these two appropriately without spending alot more energy I will use this picture. I do like this one and it does an awesome job

The pics and videos:

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P.S. Completely aside from everything else in this post, in case u missed it, there is/was imo a really great and important discussion in my last blog that I would love to keep going and hear anyone's thoughts and opinions on.

On August 19 2009 23:54 ToTehEastSide wrote: As for Political Science, I am actually really wary and hesitant to take this but again since it was one of the ones open I feel now is a good time to see what it is about.

Lower level Political Science courses are just basic government, court cases, and history refreshers. You will not get into debating until your upper level courses, which is probably a good thing for you

You are right, we need to fight against socialism! So, while we're stopping health care reform, lets be fair and fight against all other socialized areas of our country. Down with fire departments, police, FDA, FBI, libraries, FEMA, public schools, postal service, highways, 911, and the military! No good ever came of these! I rather hire my own personal free market soldiers

hmmm
real nice spin u have there Holly

u seem to be the exact type of reason that I'm really wary and hesitant to take this class

did I say somewhere, "down with fire departments, the police and libraries" etc ?
or to help ur simpleton implicating spin along more towards it's point, did I say or imply "ANARCHISM ftw!" ?
Please show me where or how u came to this as I wonder if ur highly enlightened assuming and blanket statements can even tell a difference as u seem to combine effortlessly local and federal governments as one and the same.

and when u say, "probably a good thing for you," it right off the bat tells me quite alot of what I'm dealing with.
but I prefer not to be quick to judge, so to find out more as well as to give u a chance, I'd like to see more of where u are coming from. So based off what you said I was saying, do you think we should have a national police and fire department? or maybe perhaps a national 911 service?

Eh, Holly that's kind of a generalization.

The lower level poli sci courses i took were dramatically varied. The most basic ones were about political philosophy plato's republic etc. I rather enjoyed it.

The socialism thing is clearly a joke. It is amazing how many Americans in this country did not realize that socialism exist right here in our country.

On August 20 2009 03:27 nolan wrote: Eh, Holly that's kind of a generalization. The lower level poli sci courses i took were dramatically varied. The most basic ones were about political philosophy plato's republic etc. I rather enjoyed it.

I was just pointing out the fact that it will be very unlikely he will be taking a course that involved debating and class interaction within his first semester. Personally, any discussion of political philosophy on topics such as Plato, paradigms, etc was considered an upper level course at my school. However, I graduated from a private Christian college so it may be different.

I began with courses such as Political Science 101, American Government, and State and Local Government. The first two were just history lectures (ie.-constitution, federalism, Shays Rebellion, etc) and State and Local Government was just an analysis of my state local functions. I did not get into classes such as Contemporary Political Thought, Western Political Thought, International Law, International Relations, Parties and Interest Groups, Public Administration, and Constitutional Law until after my Sophomore year.

If you are really interested in this major Eastside, I recommend taking Economics and any History course as an elective. These classes will help you help develop solid arguments when debating.

As far as my comment "You will not get into debating until your upper level courses, which is probably a good thing for you", I'm basically just poking fun at you. To be honest, you are always going to run into to someone with an opposite view. Arguing politics and bills over the internet is one thing, however, doing it in person is another. People tend to take things very personally and you will find yourself getting heated very easily. I'll admit there were times when I left class frustrated. I'm not sure where you are from, but if you are attending a school that is considered "liberal" you may be one of the few with your view points. Although, I have faith you will manage considering I made it through as a democrat in a private Christian school in South Carolina! Hardcore I know GL

On August 20 2009 12:35 Holly23 wrote: The socialism thing is clearly a joke. Show nested quote + On August 20 2009 03:27 nolan wrote: Eh, Holly that's kind of a generalization. The lower level poli sci courses i took were dramatically varied. The most basic ones were about political philosophy plato's republic etc. I rather enjoyed it. If you are really interested in this major Eastside, I recommend taking Economics and any History course as an elective. These classes will help you help develop solid arguments when debating. As far as my comment "You will not get into debating until your upper level courses, which is probably a good thing for you", I'm basically just poking fun at you. To be honest, you are always going to run into to someone with an opposite view. Arguing politics and bills over the internet is one thing, however, doing it in person is another. People tend to take things very personally and you will find yourself getting heated very easily. I'll admit there were times when I left class frustrated. I'm not sure where you are from, but if you are attending a school that is considered "liberal" you may be one of the few with your view points. Although, I have faith you will manage considering I made it through as a democrat in a private Christian school in South Carolina! Hardcore I know GL

oh, u got jokes =]
along with quite a few assumptions
that's my fault since I opened that door in the OP
since both tend to go towards my personal life I'll just say right on

On August 20 2009 12:35 Holly23 wrote: It is amazing how many Americans in this country did not realize that socialism exist right here in our country.

care to expand on this statement? I was completely following it until the word did

and where are u in the previous blog curt??
=[[[ <---triple chin sad
everytime I come back here I keep slapping my hands saying no I will not enter it I will not enter
I liked that discussion sooooooooo much and now its probably dead

You mean the discussion where I call you out on being a high schooler with little education or experience on the topics in which you discuss? The one's where you consider yourself well informed because all of your arguments are based on "common sense"? Most of which are simply plagiarized from other people's blog posts across the internet? I think it ended because we all realized that nothing you say has any merit. It's like a parent discussing their finances with a 4 year old. Why bother?

Also why are you exempt from "spin" when you call healthcare reform socialism, but holly isnt when she mentions taxpayer funded services such as the public library? Why do republicons always gloss over this very easy comparison? They have no problem with the many many taxpayer funded services in their states, but when it comes to healthcare, awwwwww shit, cant touch that. Do you just like feel bad for the poor trillion dollar healthcare industry that rips people off day after day when their business model doesnt hold up so well to some real competition?

It really baffles me how right wingers consistently manage to vote against their own best interests and those of the country at large. It's like, they just want to do the exact opposite of anything anyone recommends to maintain their pride and individualism.

Show nested quote + On August 20 2009 12:35 Holly23 wrote: It is amazing how many Americans in this country did not realize that socialism exist right here in our country. care to expand on this statement? I was completely following it until the word did

I guess I should say "do not realize", as the word "did" implies that someone finally made the realization. Most republican/conservatives still dont seem to know this, so thank you for correcting my statement.

Anyway, what difference does it make if a taxpyayer funded service is national or local? Do you feel a taxpayer funded healthcare system mandated by the state would work better than the US gov't?

On August 20 2009 20:57 NewbSaibot wrote: You mean the discussion where I call you out on being a high schooler with little education or experience on the topics in which you discuss? The one's where you consider yourself well informed because all of your arguments are based on "common sense"? Most of which are simply plagiarized from other people's blog posts across the internet? I think it ended because we all realized that nothing you say has any merit. It's like a parent discussing their finances with a 4 year old. Why bother? Also why are you exempt from "spin" when you call healthcare reform socialism, but holly isnt when she mentions taxpayer funded services such as the public library? Why do republicons always gloss over this very easy comparison? They have no problem with the many many taxpayer funded services in their states, but when it comes to healthcare, awwwwww shit, cant touch that. Do you just like feel bad for the poor trillion dollar healthcare industry that rips people off day after day when their business model doesnt hold up so well to some real competition? It really baffles me how right wingers consistently manage to vote against their own best interests and those of the country at large. It's like, they just want to do the exact opposite of anything anyone recommends to maintain their pride and individualism.

no NewbSaibot..
the PREVIOUS blog

seriously, learn to read instead of assuming what ur reading

IF u ever finally see the difference between me and ur beloved enemy the republican I will START to consider dealing with the rest of your stupid assed assumptions and accusations that are just a mix of delusional twisted crap containing kool-aid and concrete

u are leveling urself way to hard for anyone except a "democrat" to talk or reason to you
hence why I said in the PREVIOUS blog, TenBagger and Newb respectively

tho you both are on the same side of the fence, there is a big gap in the difference between the both of you
TenBagger is very much worthwhile in talking to as one can learn and go forward with him
you are not -- at least not yet

On August 20 2009 21:22 ToTehEastSide wrote: Show nested quote + On August 20 2009 20:57 NewbSaibot wrote: You mean the discussion where I call you out on being a high schooler with little education or experience on the topics in which you discuss? The one's where you consider yourself well informed because all of your arguments are based on "common sense"? Most of which are simply plagiarized from other people's blog posts across the internet? I think it ended because we all realized that nothing you say has any merit. It's like a parent discussing their finances with a 4 year old. Why bother? Also why are you exempt from "spin" when you call healthcare reform socialism, but holly isnt when she mentions taxpayer funded services such as the public library? Why do republicons always gloss over this very easy comparison? They have no problem with the many many taxpayer funded services in their states, but when it comes to healthcare, awwwwww shit, cant touch that. Do you just like feel bad for the poor trillion dollar healthcare industry that rips people off day after day when their business model doesnt hold up so well to some real competition? It really baffles me how right wingers consistently manage to vote against their own best interests and those of the country at large. It's like, they just want to do the exact opposite of anything anyone recommends to maintain their pride and individualism. no NewbSaibot.. the PREVIOUS blog seriously, learn to read instead of assuming what ur reading IF u ever finally see the difference between me and ur beloved enemy the republican I will START to consider dealing with the rest of your stupid assed assumptions and accusations that are just a mix of delusional twisted crap containing kool-aid and concrete u are leveling urself way to hard for anyone except a "democrat" to talk or reason to you hence why I said in the PREVIOUS blog, TenBagger and Newb respectively tho you both are on the same side of the fence, there is a big gap in the difference between the both of you TenBagger is very much worthwhile in talking to as one can learn and go forward with him you are not -- at least not yet

"learn to read" lol, learn to write mother fucker. Oh thats right, you cant. All you do is copy paste other peoples material and pass it off as your own. Every single time you have ever attempted to respond to someone it is almost incomprehensible. But that is far and few between because mostly all you do is just start one flame bait thread after another without every contributing anything towards it. When someone finally calls you out, you dodge the questions and just attack the person, with pussy ass cop out's like "I'm not going to argue with you because you are a waste of my time".

If you wont answer newbsaibot's questions then i'll ask them

why are you exempt from "spin" when you call healthcare reform socialism, but holly isnt when she mentions taxpayer funded services such as the public library? Why do republicons always gloss over this very easy comparison? They have no problem with the many many taxpayer funded services in their states, but when it comes to healthcare, awwwwww shit, cant touch that. Do you just like feel bad for the poor trillion dollar healthcare industry that rips people off day after day when their business model doesnt hold up so well to some real competition?

Better?

On August 20 2009 21:03 Holly23 wrote: Show nested quote +   On August 20 2009 12:35 Holly23 wrote: It is amazing how many Americans in this country did not realize that socialism exist right here in our country. care to expand on this statement? I was completely following it until the word did I guess I should say "do not realize", as the word "did" implies that someone finally made the realization. Most republican/conservatives still dont seem to know this, so thank you for correcting my statement.

ok so this is what u meant to say
"It is amazing how many Americans in this country do not realize that socialism exists right here in our country."
correct?

On August 20 2009 21:03 Holly23 wrote: Anyway, what difference does it make if a taxpyayer funded service is national or local?

the difference is huge
ever heard of checks and balances?
I see there is now tons of different things springing up from the both of you so I can't atm spend alot of time here on this =[
Simply said, to start off with, once something becomes national, it automatically starts on a much bigger scale and things get painted with a broader brush and so often times you end up going further away from solving a problem with complete efficiency
bringing the federal government in often makes circumstances black and white and a specific situation that might happen to you or someone in your community might have a need for a little bit more attention to detail
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i.e. it is my view that disaster relief would be much more efficiently done by local and state than FEMA

On August 20 2009 21:03 Holly23 wrote: Do you feel a taxpayer funded healthcare system mandated by the state would work better than the US gov't?

wow someone actually made an example and asked me questions!?!?
wtf is this world coming to?? ^^
short answer is yes
This is a really hard and complicated issue to debate, because of emotions it's the hardest for conservative thinking because emotions cloud the bigger picture and that is why I think Obama and his team did so very pro to handle this issue on his list last.
To use an analogy or two...
(This first analogy also bumps back to the point I am trying to make in the last question of urs I quoted)
Imagine your house caught on fire and you had to call the fire department
Who would do you a better service?
A nationalized fire department with no local departments or your local fire department

The less federal government involvement the better
How can a private company compete against the federal government?
The answer is it can't.
That should be obvious, look at the Amtrak and railroads or UPS and the post office

On August 20 2009 21:35 NewbSaibot wrote: Show nested quote + On August 20 2009 21:22 ToTehEastSide wrote:   On August 20 2009 20:57 NewbSaibot wrote: You mean the discussion where I call you out on being a high schooler with little education or experience on the topics in which you discuss? The one's where you consider yourself well informed because all of your arguments are based on "common sense"? Most of which are simply plagiarized from other people's blog posts across the internet? I think it ended because we all realized that nothing you say has any merit. It's like a parent discussing their finances with a 4 year old. Why bother? Also why are you exempt from "spin" when you call healthcare reform socialism, but holly isnt when she mentions taxpayer funded services such as the public library? Why do republicons always gloss over this very easy comparison? They have no problem with the many many taxpayer funded services in their states, but when it comes to healthcare, awwwwww shit, cant touch that. Do you just like feel bad for the poor trillion dollar healthcare industry that rips people off day after day when their business model doesnt hold up so well to some real competition? It really baffles me how right wingers consistently manage to vote against their own best interests and those of the country at large. It's like, they just want to do the exact opposite of anything anyone recommends to maintain their pride and individualism. no NewbSaibot.. the PREVIOUS blog seriously, learn to read instead of assuming what ur reading IF u ever finally see the difference between me and ur beloved enemy the republican I will START to consider dealing with the rest of your stupid assed assumptions and accusations that are just a mix of delusional twisted crap containing kool-aid and concrete u are leveling urself way to hard for anyone except a "democrat" to talk or reason to you hence why I said in the PREVIOUS blog, TenBagger and Newb respectively tho you both are on the same side of the fence, there is a big gap in the difference between the both of you TenBagger is very much worthwhile in talking to as one can learn and go forward with him you are not -- at least not yet "learn to read" lol, learn to write mother fucker. Oh thats right, you cant. All you do is copy paste other peoples material and pass it off as your own. Every single time you have ever attempted to respond to someone it is almost incomprehensible. But that is far and few between because mostly all you do is just start one flame bait thread after another without every contributing anything towards it. When someone finally calls you out, you dodge the questions and just attack the person, with pussy ass cop out's like "I'm not going to argue with you because you are a waste of my time".

sigh
reread this plz

On August 20 2009 19:00 ToTehEastSide wrote: and where are u in the previous blog curt?? =[[[ <---triple chin sad everytime I come back here I keep slapping my hands saying no I will not enter it I will not enter I liked that discussion sooooooooo much and now its probably dead

On August 20 2009 20:57 NewbSaibot wrote: You mean the discussion where I call you out on being a high schooler with little education or experience on the topics in which you discuss? The one's where you consider yourself well informed because all of your arguments are based on "common sense"? Most of which are simply plagiarized from other people's blog posts across the internet? I think it ended because we all realized that nothing you say has any merit. It's like a parent discussing their finances with a 4 year old. Why bother?

u are so dead wrong on so many levels and ways Newb that yes you ARE a waste of time
I have to sift through so much crap and it's allllll to no avail anyways

On August 20 2009 21:40 Holly23 wrote: why are you exempt from "spin"

I never said I was exempt from spin. I am human. I know and have humility and know my place. So to that implying accusation I say it's your job to point out where I am doing it, how I am doing it, and why you disagree with it. If you are right and win, I will own up, pay my dues and say I am wrong. Putting myself into the forge is one of the best ways I learn.

Frankly I could not tell yet if what you Holly were saying was either a joke or serious. Even though you said you were just poking fun and kidding, I think the answer is still a little bit of both. It's still to early to truly tell. I asked you to continue because I wanted to see what side of the fence you would land on, the joking side or serious accusation side.
If off the bat you had landed on the more serious side and you really thought this extreme comment,
"we need to fight against socialism! So, while we're stopping health care reform, lets be fair and fight against all other socialized areas of our country. Down with fire departments, police, FDA, FBI, libraries, FEMA, public schools, postal service, highways, 911, and the military! No good ever came of these! I rather hire my own personal free market soldiers"
was what I am saying, then I would have started to categorize you in with NewbSaibot and the crew that are often ultimately for me a waste of time and can be found all over the net. By landing on the poking fun and joking side, here I am..

so moving on

On August 20 2009 21:40 Holly23 wrote: why are you exempt from "spin" when you call healthcare reform socialism,

because I'm not spinning when I say this healthcare "reform" is not reform at all



I believe that the reason costs are so high is because of government backing, funding and involvement. What Obama and crew are promoting is MORE government involvement
Insurance companies and banks dealing with the Fed know worse case scenario they will be bailed out by, "the lender of last resort" which means that costs are going to always be the MAX and DISCRETION will rarely ever be used

"government involvement is not the answer, it is the problem"
I like the motto keep it simple stupid and it does not get any more simple than that

and to any denial that what the federal government is trying to do is NOT socialism, I just point you to dictionary.com



moving on..

On August 20 2009 21:40 Holly23 wrote: why are you exempt from "spin" when you call healthcare reform socialism, but holly isnt when she mentions taxpayer funded services such as the public library? Why do republicons always gloss over this very easy comparison? They have no problem with the many many taxpayer funded services in their states, but when it comes to healthcare, awwwwww shit, cant touch that.

why? because simply it is extreme and wrong thinking
-comparing a NATIONAL healthcare reform to a public library is lol and scary as hell
-do you think everyone's health records, from yours to your grandmothers etc health should be a public or private matter?
-also Federal and public libraries are not even the same thing

You are so emotionally blinded by the fact that people want their healthcare that you do not stop to really look into the details and try to figure out the actual problems of it nor the best way to deliver it. Instead with your ignorance you just blindly trust the FEDERAL government to step in and do it, like this is going to be a simple solve all. It's completely shortsighted and emotional based.
You will spin these statements of course to say that I'm not trying to help or that I don't care when nothing could be further from the truth.
If this was even remotely true I would not be here nor would I be saying anything

On August 20 2009 21:40 Holly23 wrote: Do you just like feel bad for the poor trillion dollar healthcare industry that rips people off day after day when their business model doesnt hold up so well to some real competition?

you think it's bad now and yet you think by nationalizing it won't be worse? haha?
with this issue especially, once you nationalize healthcare completely you will have created a total self reliance to the federal government and because so many ppl will be tied to it you can not ever and will not ever get rid of it until perhaps the whole system fails
don't just believe what you read and hear, go take a really good look at other countries and their healthcare
there is a reason the prime minister of Italy and other people came here for their healthcare

T H I N K

take a good look at post offices, at railroads - look at history
our government reliance started off small but it is growing and it NEVER WORKS
this "reform" is not a solution, it is a devastating step backwards

also I never mentioned healthcare in the last few blogs, but you guys keep bringing it in here. I wish you guys would start to look at the other things that I am saying but w/e.

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I swear it was not even five minutes ago that I saw this video for the first time (It's on the front page of Campaign for Liberty)
Ron Paul is the ONLY politician that is in alignment with most of my thinking and views.
One just has to actually stop and listen to him.
hahaha such perfect timing -- it still has me giggling
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