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Layogurt   United States. Sep 03 2009 04:23. Posts 25
Hey i've been playing 5nl for about 15k hands now, but i've lost about $70. Only thing keeping me alive is ftp bonuses basically haha.
It's full ring cash games.

Anyways, here's some graphs and stats. If anyone is generous to look over them and point out some leaks, I would be more than grateful.




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terrybunny19240   United States. Sep 03 2009 04:36. Posts 13829

you're probably too fancy

get top pair with a good kicker++ and bet bet bet against most players :/

maybe fenner will come by, he is clearly sick at nl5 now

 Last edit: 03/09/2009 04:44

terrybunny19240   United States. Sep 03 2009 04:50. Posts 13829

also just show the overall report from the reports tab, we can't even easily determine your overall vpip/pfr/3bet/cbet from all the junk u posted


Vivi57   United States. Sep 03 2009 05:21. Posts 314

leak: playing nl5 on ftp

move to stars, the rake is much better

If I had to make a random guess to leaks with only glancing at stats, you don't bet enough (you're making half pot bets instead of 2/3-psb) and you call too many flops with the plan to fold on the turn


vasoline73   United States. Sep 03 2009 06:22. Posts 810

Dang that red line is scary O_O.

It's my blue line that always sucks (until recently) . GLGL. Someone will have advice once you post some more stats


exalted   United States. Sep 03 2009 06:57. Posts 2918

fold to raises postflop more

have a higher attention to steal

ure going to showdown a bit too much

exalted from teamliquid :o 

fenner   Australia. Sep 03 2009 08:10. Posts 2188

Just play super tight, really. Play with HUD, anyone with 40+ vpip is generally a calling station, just pot size bet all streets against them with TP (your kick will generally always be good since youre playing so tight) they will call down with any draw, 2nd pair, bottom pair whatever. Dont be scared of overcards that come on turn/river to your TP, just keep betting unless you get raised by the station. On drawy boards you can even double barrel with 2nd pair or something, but dont do this if you dont feel comfortable.

Since most of the players are stationfish you wont have to worry about regs too often and just play a tight range against them postflop, you'll probably just take it down with a cbet most of the time against them as they'll just be masstabling setmining.

And yeah, move your roll to stars for 5nl.

 Last edit: 03/09/2009 08:11

hoylemj   United States. Sep 03 2009 10:24. Posts 840

Another thing too, I know when I first started I had the same trouble and lately I've done much better just being tight and aggressive, but another thing is I find it's generally better not to go all-in pf (even though you know they are typically going all-in w/ a very wide range) or really as little as possible if it means that you are putting a lot of money on the line because the suck-outs and bad beats are unbelievable. Probably seems counter-intuitive, but I think it's better to wait and get paid off when you are even more certain that you have it (sets, sets,...more sets..over pairs over top/send pr etc).
(I'm not advocating to never go all-in of course).

oh I think you stay on FT too if you're getting rakeback!

 Last edit: 03/09/2009 10:31

Venrae   United States. Sep 03 2009 12:53. Posts 1545

It definitely looks like you're going to showdown too light.

Is this 6max or FR?

Learn to appreciate the value of the dollar. The rest is easy. (Hurricane @ TL) 

Layogurt   United States. Sep 03 2009 16:19. Posts 25

Thank you everyone very much for the advice and help so far.
I updated the original post to include position stats which I meant to in the first place. Also I noted that i am playing full ring not 6 max.

Would it be worth it switching to stars even though I'm earning rakeback and bonuses at full tilt? Is the competition softer at stars?

Also, is there any way to fix my bleeding red line or is that just a product of the micro's? Should I just focus on improving my blue line?
I just recently ( last 2000 hands) have been playing with a HUD and am still getting used to it, but have noticed it to be very helpful so far. Does anyone have advice on which statistics I should primarily be looking at besides vp$ip and pfr? Is aggression factor important in my decisions?

Thanks again, I love poker but recently all this losing is making me lose my motivation =/


hoylemj   United States. Sep 04 2009 10:55. Posts 840


  On September 03 2009 15:19 Layogurt wrote:
Thank you everyone very much for the advice and help so far.
I updated the original post to include position stats which I meant to in the first place. Also I noted that i am playing full ring not 6 max.

Would it be worth it switching to stars even though I'm earning rakeback and bonuses at full tilt? Is the competition softer at stars?

Also, is there any way to fix my bleeding red line or is that just a product of the micro's? Should I just focus on improving my blue line?
I just recently ( last 2000 hands) have been playing with a HUD and am still getting used to it, but have noticed it to be very helpful so far. Does anyone have advice on which statistics I should primarily be looking at besides vp$ip and pfr? Is aggression factor important in my decisions?

Thanks again, I love poker but recently all this losing is making me lose my motivation =/




I know the feeling, for a little while I really thought 5nl at FT was impossible and that FT really was rigged! Hopefully I'm not just running well (you know, things happening how they should) right now.

More of my 2 cents: I've been playing for a good while - initially just on PS and this month I started a roll on FT - and honestly, I think rakeback is pretty amazing...it makes building up a BR so much easier. However, I've played long enough to where I can handle a good number of tables and I'm pretty sure that makes a big difference w/ earning rakeback. The rake is worse at FT and there are a few threads here at LP discussing FT micros vs PS. It's hard to say if the competition is softer on either - it does seem like you have to be more of a nit on FT - whatever that means overall. I think it just comes down to figuring out what works at each site given who's at your table. PS tables are all deepstacked of course and the pot button at FT makes a big difference since so many ppl use it regularly thereby cutting down your calling odds. A HUD does make a big difference, but at the same time I found it's not even so necessary at this level - you can get awayw/ simply playing the value of your cards and the hand you make. It certainly helps though especially w/ your development as a player and eventually changing up your play more when you need to. Other stats: overall aggression freq./ factor are helpful, I like "calls open" frequency, 3-bet/calls 3-bet are good, and I like to have 'winnings' on my HUD too.

The dropping red line is a product of the style that wins here. As ppl said, you don't need to really bluff much and most of the time you will be called down to river, at least. Your W$SD is a bit low. That will go up as your hand reading gets better w. experience.

Also I have a good number of helpful links in my 1st blog post. gl


 



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