NL5 shot.

Stop limping so much, your pfr should be identical to your vpip or just below it. Be more aggressive, seems like you don't value bet enough.

And tbh. I would just move down and play at nl2 until you've learned all the basics and actually have somewhere around 15-20bi for nl5.

On October 12 2009 10:45 Ygkjh wrote: Stop limping so much, your pfr should be identical to your vpip or just below it.

At these stakes I think limping all small pocket pairs is fine. Raise big pairs and big aces, fold everything else.

I agree with staying at NL2 though, why move up to NL5 if you haven't been beating NL2?

Cauz i learn nothing in nl2 ?
I've been playing this limit for 4 years now, the leaks are because i'm not folding enough in nl2 when i'm beat. While i do fold some of them on nl5 because the bets aren't as retarded on nl2.

looks stupid to play nl 5 with only 40, esp. considering your past (busto at nl2 many times)

limping is fine since people dont isolate light, seeing cheap flops is nothing wrong. but obviously it's not the optimal way to play either.

On October 12 2009 11:46 RaiZ wrote: Cauz i learn nothing in nl2 ? I've been playing this limit for 4 years now, the leaks are because i'm not folding enough in nl2 when i'm beat. While i do fold some of them on nl5 because the bets aren't as retarded on nl2.

that is just... wow..

i dont know what to say. not to be mean here, but you havent considered quitting poker? playing 4 years at nl2, being unable to beat it, and then move up to nl5 b/c you can fold there...

it's just plain stupid. if you bust at nl2 you will most def bust at nl5

Lol
I dunno must be because they're respecting my raises more ?
I'd love to play against TJs than 48o on a 48Qss then 8 on the turn any day.
I just don't like when someone call my pot bet with flush draw or a straight draw and then donkbet like 0.02 on turn which just blows my mind. That's why i find it hard to fold on nl2 because i get like "my A high is still the best hand" since it's a flush draw.
I'd never think about 48o here (especially when i've raised to 4xbb+1bb per limp).

You have some serious flaws in your thought process if you don't see how you can exploit and adapt to "they don't fold at NL2 to your raises".

Just think about it for a second...

On October 12 2009 11:58 RaiZ wrote: Lol I dunno must be because they're respecting my raises more ? I'd love to play against TJs than 48o on a 48Qss then 8 on the turn any day. I just don't like when someone call my pot bet with flush draw or a straight draw and then donkbet like 0.02 on turn which just blows my mind. That's why i find it hard to fold on nl2 because i get like "my A high is still the best hand" since it's a flush draw. I'd never think about 48o here (especially when i've raised to 4xbb+1bb per limp).

This is horrible logic. No one "respects your raises" at nl5 more than nl2. nl5 is pretty much exactly the same as nl2. You're paying people off when they obviously have the nuts, quit doing that and you'll likely be able to beat nl2/nl5/nl10.

I doubt you haven't heard these things multiple times in your 4 years of poker playing, but really you must be refusing to learn or you're an idiot or something if you can't beat nl2 when following the general guidelines of never bluffing other than cbetting and valuebetting thin until someone raises you back.

Just don't go about doing those "advanced plays" you saw Tom Dwan do on tv and look totally cool, save those for later and for now concentrate on working on the basics and abusing the weak players.

I don't know if you're the same, but for me the biggest mistake I've done in poker is think that I'm better than I am, because that freezes your learning process instantly and you stay at the same point until you realize how fucking stupid you are.

You're frustrated because you dont feel like youre playing poker. You arent getting to do all the stuff that makes poker fun. You're having to connect with every board to win, and connect hard so hands like 48o dont beat you. You keep posting graphs that show very small hand samples. I suggest you learn how to do some serious multi-table grinding so you can let statistical hand strength make you a winner at the end of each session. Try loading up like 10 FR tables or whatever you are comfortable with (go for 20 if you can) and stack them all on top of each other. Now the hands are going to be dealt so quickly for you, that you are going to find yourself playing a game of decisions. Each table is going to pop up and offer you a decision at that moment, and it will be your job to make the best possible decision for that moment. If you are dealt 88 and someone limped UTG, call. If the flop comes T92 and someone leads out, just fold. If you are dealt AKs and 5 people limp in front of you, raise. If the flop comes 223 and everyone checks to you, just check. Become rapid fire in making easy simple decisions that will lose you very little, and win you very much. Sure youre going to miss opportunities, and you will definitely take some bad beats, but you will also put in about 1000 hands per hour and you should at least be able to win close to a buyin per hour playing like this at NL2.

Give it a little time, because downswings will happen, and you may even start on one. But once you start getting in 10k hands per week you should start to feel like if you are just breaking even due to variance, or consistently losing due to bad decisions. Remember, each hand you are dealt and each street is an opportunity for you to make a decision. Simply look at the moment, and decide. They will happen so quick you will feel like you are playing whack-a-mole with all your mucked hands and AK's, but in there the planets will align and you will get a fish stuck in a spot where you have the best hand and he's willing to pay off some bets. That is all you are looking for. You are waiting for the perfect storm when you both finally catch a hand, but because you're not a donk, yours will be better.