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edzwoo United States. Oct 24 2009 02:16. Posts 5911 | | |
Teaching it
Haven't blogged in a while. Lately I've been busy doing business stuff and working on the poker club at my school. If you're a new player you can check out some of the content here: http://www.illinipokerclub.com/meetings.html
I'm advocating the people to play like 9/6 lol. I know it works though because my friend is at NL25 and closing in on NL50 playing REALLY nitty and not getting out of line.
The club has been going well; we're getting say 25-50 people coming out to the meetings to learn how to be a huge nit and win pennies at NL2. It was hilarious because it got to a point where I would point to the screen with an overpair:
"What do we do with this hand?"
"BET FULL POT!"
"Why do we do that?"
"TO MAKE MONEY!"
"Why don't we bet smaller?"
"BECAUSE WE WANT MORE MONEY!" *people high fiving each other*
Beware guys, there are new NL2 regs coming to tear the place up. I'm training an army of nits here. Don't worry though, they've got a long way before they make the games any harder.
I'm going to be starting a small group sort of thing for those that are interested in the club where I meet up with them and basically just help them with their game. I think I'm qualified to do this since it'll be mostly NL2 people  . It's great getting to meet a lot of new people, and I really love talking about poker. You can probably tell cause I'm always trying to throw in my 2 cents on the forums.
Playing it
Anyway, I still haven't been playing poker seriously at all (last blog post I only wanted to unlock a 1k bonus which I did), but I started dabbling a bit in HU because I've been a bit bored. This is like 1400 hands of NL50 and 400 hands of NL100.
rofl 30+ptbb/100 run good at both limits. Such an insignificant sample size but even so, people are TERRIBLE at HU. I feel like I have a ridiculous overwhelming edge and I don't even really understand HU very well... but I think that's just because there's an overwhelming number of fish at small stakes HU. You could probably suck and still be a pretty big winner.
One thing I noticed is that it's really easy to tilt at HU. Not like, psycho crazy tilt (although that certainly happens), but you lose 5 pots in a row to a fish and it irks you and suddenly you make a button raise with like 62o vs someone that calls too much without realizing it, or a bad river call with a weak pair when the guy always has you beat. Ever since I got to NL100 FR, I've always thought I had really good tilt control, but I feel like it's 10x easier to get thrown off your game in HU than it is in FR. I'm going to assume those of you that play HU would agree because I find it really rare that someone actually monkey spew tilts multiple buy-ins at FR, but in HU it seems to be a common occurrence from all of the hands I've played lifetime. My guess is that if you're somewhat capable at playing HU, but have EXTREMELY good tilt control and don't get thrown off your game, you can easily crush most people that are better than you simply because they'll spew and you won't.
Thinking about it
I really love thinking about various lines and what people are generally repping when they take it. For example, vs any standard passive player, it's clear c/c --> c/r is the nuts. I think there was a statistic on 2+2 linked from HEM that every time the line was taken, the player saw showdown 99% of the time and had two pair or better 80% of the time.
One thing I've been thinking about lately is 3betting. I think 3betting for value really sucks, and when you play against nits your 3betting range should be KK+/air. First of all, their stack off ranges are always QQ+,AK (sometimes not even) so getting it in with QQ and AK is usually just slightly profitable. Of course, this range applies mostly to FR, but even in 6max I think most nits will have a stackoff range of JJ+,AK. Of course we have to take into account their calling range as well, so if the person is never folding to a 3bet then by all do so. Note, this is only against regs or competent players. I think not 3betting a hand like AJ for value against a fish is criminal.
But I think a hand like AK is GREAT to just flat with, in or OOP. The blockers don't come into play just pre, but post as well. You can expect to win someone's cbet very often if you c/r almost any flop with AK, added FE because of blockers against KK+, and hitting your A or K is often a clean out. And it's just so easy to play this way.
A hand like QQ has great value in a singe raised pot because you're just CRUSHING someone's range in a single raised pot.
I think KK and AA have too much value in stacking off and crushing QQ and AK, so I would rarely ever flat with those hands.
The main issue I have with 3betting though is that some people are horrible post-flop (bad regs/fish), so in a sense any hand you play against them they have severe reverse implied odds for even playing a hand against you. If I knew someone was stacking off 100bbs on any flop and would call me down with any pair, I would never 3bet AK because there's no point. I would just be giving him an extra 10-14 bbs the times I miss, and the end result is I risk 10-14bbs to stack him whereas I could have risked 3-4bbs to stack him for the exact same 100bbs. Obviously there's way more to it than that but the general gist is if you're way better at postflop than someone else, 3betting often turns most bad people into fit/fold/spaz as opposed to call/call/call.
Selling it
As I've said before, I'm working on an eCommerce store selling poker chips and tables. The site is at www.chipsntables.com (hasn't been worked on yet!). I've been doing tons of research about SEO and junk, and have put some money down on resources to help me out. I also have a legal business name and bla bla bla. Anyway, I have an account with a poker supply wholesaler, so if anyone wants to buy poker chips or tables (you can check out what I carry at trademarkpoker.com) I can hook you up. I can also do customized/hot stamps for chips . Also, if you're looking to buy chips and stuff and aren't really sure what you want, you can ask me and I'll help you out with that.
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Pretty nice to blog about my life a little.
BTW little humor, I got owned pretty bad in this thread: http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/810145/liquidpoker_tournaments...html
Gotta read Ket's post to understand it.
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palak United States. Oct 24 2009 02:25. Posts 4601 | | | |
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| | On October 24 2009 01:16 edzwoo wrote:
One thing I noticed is that it's really easy to tilt at HU. Not like, psycho crazy tilt (although that certainly happens), but you lose 5 pots in a row to a fish and it irks you and suddenly you make a button raise with like 62o vs someone that calls too much without realizing it, or a bad river call with a weak pair when the guy always has you beat. Ever since I got to NL100 FR, I've always thought I had really good tilt control, but I feel like it's 10x easier to get thrown off your game in HU than it is in FR. I'm going to assume those of you that play HU would agree because I find it really rare that someone actually monkey spew tilts multiple buy-ins at FR, but in HU it seems to be a common occurrence from all of the hands I've played lifetime. My guess is that if you're somewhat capable at playing HU, but have EXTREMELY good tilt control and don't get thrown off your game, you can easily crush most people that are better than you simply because they'll spew and you won't.
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I'm apparently super vulnerable to this, total shame. I agree with the super high value of tilt control at HU.
Very nice blog post overall as well. Interesting thoughts about 3betting. |
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edzwoo United States. Oct 24 2009 02:39. Posts 5911 | | |
palak: I go to UIUC
Night: Thanks. I'm just posting my own random thoughts; I could be really wrong but that's just what I think. Also I think a lot of it is FR context or just generally with players that are relatively passive. AQ might be like AK in aggro games and AK becomes AA, so then not 3betting is bad lol. |
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Augury United States. Oct 24 2009 02:47. Posts 222 | | |
Your value 3 bet range should change completely based on opponents. I think at stakes like 50NL you're only going to be wanting to stack off with hands like KK/AA for 100 BB, unless you've specifically noticed a player showing up with worse when stacking off. |
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edzwoo United States. Oct 24 2009 02:56. Posts 5911 | | |
| | On October 24 2009 01:47 Augury wrote:
Your value 3 bet range should change completely based on opponents. I think at stakes like 50NL you're only going to be wanting to stack off with hands like KK/AA for 100 BB, unless you've specifically noticed a player showing up with worse when stacking off. |
Not stacking off with QQ and AK is generally bad once you've made a 3bet simply because against a range of QQ+/AK and very slightly occasionally worse hands like JJ or air + dead money constitute you should never fold after you've made a 3bet. You just have too much equity with those hands.
What I'm saying though is just because a 3bet is profitable doesn't make it the best play, and I think against a stack-off range of QQ+/AK who folds to 3bets a lot, that's a spot where QQ has a lot more value in calling a raise. AK is powerful because of it's FE, and I propose using that FE in a flop c/r to pick up an extra cbet. You often have outs when called and additional FE because of blockers. |
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palak United States. Oct 24 2009 03:29. Posts 4601 | | |
on your 3betting idea. If a person only stacks off at all times with QQ+/AK then you should be 3bettin KK+/air and 3betting like 20% cuz they will just fold their lives away unless they start 4bet bluffing. Once they do this you need to open up for value which is y ppl 3bet JJ+/AK or what not, they already assume people will occasionally 4bet bluff. |
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YoMeR United States. Oct 24 2009 03:50. Posts 12438 | | |
i like your line of thinking on most aspects.
lolol at raising the army of nits. oh noes! here comes more rocks for the rock gardens. |
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longple  Sweden. Oct 24 2009 06:31. Posts 4472 | | |
you should teach them how to play a solid 60/5 strategy with 2 buy in BRM
and also tell them never to play below 100nl! |
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Critterer United Kingdom. Oct 24 2009 07:01. Posts 5337 | | |
i teach my real life mates to play online poker too and my lessons same as urs lol, got them all playing solid 12/9 style and it truely crushes the micros |
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