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sweetbread   Czech Republic. Dec 13 2009 00:15. Posts 159


These are my first 25k hands on Pokerstars 50NL. Is there a huge difference in skill between 50NL and 100NL? I have 30 buyins for 100NL and am trying to decide if I should take a shot.

Background:
I am an American English teacher living in Prague [my wife is Czech]. One of my students introduced me to this site, and I have found the advice in the forums very useful. I don't have a Starcraft background - the closest thing I guess to that would be playing DotA in CAL when I was much younger.

I guess my short-term immediate goal is to improve my hand reading so that I can be a consistent winner at 100NL, and it seems as if there are many LPers with similar aspirations. I am positive my biggest problem is calling when I should be folding, so that's something I will focus on the next 25k hands.

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k2o4   United States. Dec 13 2009 00:24. Posts 4803

I've heard that you need at least a 100k hand sample at a limit to know what your true winrate is. Having been through 40k hand upswings and downswings, I can understand why that would be the case. I see lots of people (myself included) who move up limits too fast cause they run good at a lower one. Be sure you move up based on your skill being where it needs to be (ie you're totally crushing and super confident at the limit ur at). Or if you're a natural gosu who learns quickly, then you can move up a bit faster.

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Helmet   Philippines. Dec 13 2009 00:27. Posts 930

take a shot imo. start taking that 100k sample stuff starting at 200nl. your goal is to get out of micro/small stakes ASAP.
that will depend on you tho...

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devon06   Canada. Dec 13 2009 01:00. Posts 116

you're doing well man, keep it up.

take a smart, sound and STRUCTURED shot

from your results so far, it shouldn't be an issue at all.

gl to you in the future


PokerDoc88   Australia. Dec 13 2009 01:07. Posts 3527

Impressive graph, 25k not the greatest sample but even so you can fairly confidently assume you're a true winner at 50nl even if you are running above expectation (you may or may not be).


barbieman   Sweden. Dec 13 2009 01:21. Posts 2132

100k hand sample is not enough to know your true winrate, and since the games are constantly changing and improving it's pretty much impossible to know your exact "true" winrate.


Helmet   Philippines. Dec 13 2009 01:26. Posts 930

^ then wouldn't it be better to take shots asap to improve your game at a faster pace? you may not know your true winrate but you'll know your real potential as a poker player.

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genjix   China. Dec 13 2009 04:16. Posts 2677

NL100 is easy. a small change but not much. go for it.

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palak   United States. Dec 13 2009 04:27. Posts 4601

take a shot at 100nl imo...just table select...maybe 5 buyin shot if u wanna be safe, 10 buyin shot if ur aggressive about the shot

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CruiseR   Poland. Dec 13 2009 06:36. Posts 682


  On December 13 2009 03:16 genjix wrote:
NL100 is easy. a small change but not much. go for it.



i find the difference between nl50 and nl100 big. i dunno if its about skill, but i played like 200k hands on both nl50 and nl100, and nl100 seems noticeably harder


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Dec 13 2009 06:58. Posts 15163


  On December 13 2009 05:36 CruiseR wrote:
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i find the difference between nl50 and nl100 big. i dunno if its about skill, but i played like 200k hands on both nl50 and nl100, and nl100 seems noticeably harder


Genjix is notoriously known for his inability to value bet properly against bad players, so I don't think he will see much difference.

But there us noticeably less fish at NL100 and I think its the first limit where you have to table select properly and even use table tracking software to keep win rates above 3bb/100, unless you are higher stakes player crushing the stake with redline.

93% Sure! Last edit: 13/12/2009 07:20

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Dec 13 2009 07:02. Posts 15163

And for me sample size doesn't matter when taking a shot, it all depends on your tilt control and BR management and comfort zones.

I would personally stay on a limit until I hit a downswing (and you always will), because its so devastating for me when I move too fast without any downswings, crush the next limit and then the heater stops and I have trouble with moving down.

Another aspect is also your goals in poker, if it is to get as high as possible then you should have taken the shot at 2k
I personally play for fun when I am working with a goal of hitting $10k in 9 months while becoming an all round solid player with complex knowledge of poker mentality and betting patterns, and for that there is no pressure to move up and I have a 40BI for NL100 and 50BI for NL200 moving up thresholds.

93% Sure! Last edit: 13/12/2009 07:07

spage   Czech Republic. Dec 13 2009 07:07. Posts 76

Hey, I also live in Prague, we could hang out sometimes.
Btw I vote for taking a shot at NL100.


lazymej   Canada. Dec 13 2009 07:19. Posts 2897


  On December 13 2009 05:36 CruiseR wrote:
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i find the difference between nl50 and nl100 big. i dunno if its about skill, but i played like 200k hands on both nl50 and nl100, and nl100 seems noticeably harder


word. I crush 50nl but am only a marginal winner at 100nl. There definitely is a large difference in aggression, both pre and postflop. That is my experience in both limits playing well over 100k hands at each limit. However this is in short handed games, genjix plays full ring so I don't know about that.

OP I think you should take a shot at 100nl by all means. Just be ready to move down if things don't go too well.


sweetbread   Czech Republic. Dec 13 2009 22:46. Posts 159

TY all for the encouragement.


 



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