My first 4bet bluff

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phrenik Canada. Jan 09 2010 04:05. Posts 98

3n3yd was 17/9/10.2 over 249 hands
Sbenaglio was 40/11/10.9 over 175 hands
I was playing 23/17/8.8 and was stealing 57%, 33% from the cutoff

Submitted by : phrenik

Full Tilt Poker Game #17448394703: Table Bourbon - $0.02/$0.05 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:01:07 ET - 2010/01/08
Seat 1: stevwxyz ($1.79)
Seat 2: phrenik ($5)
Seat 3: hennessy73 ($7.48)
Seat 4: Sbenaglio ($6.52)
Seat 5: 333tgm333 ($3.23)
Seat 6: 3n3yd ($5.04)
Seat 7: coma1980 ($9.87)
Seat 8: nightmoon4 ($5.36)
Seat 9: edutesako ($6.83)
Sbenaglio posts the small blind of $0.02
333tgm333 is sitting out
3n3yd posts the big blind of $0.05
The button is in seat #3

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to phrenik
coma1980 folds
nightmoon4 folds
edutesako folds
stevwxyz calls $0.05
phrenik raises to $0.15
hennessy73 folds
333tgm333 stands up
Sbenaglio calls $0.13
3n3yd has 15 seconds left to act
3n3yd raises to $0.70
stevwxyz folds
PokerPro4567 sits down
phrenik has 15 seconds left to act
PokerPro4567 adds $2
phrenik raises to $2.10
Sbenaglio folds
3n3yd raises to $5.04, and is all in
phrenik has 15 seconds left to act
PokerPro4567 stands up
phrenik has requested TIME
phrenik calls $2.90, and is all in
3n3yd shows
phrenik shows
Uncalled bet of $0.04 returned to 3n3yd

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $10.20)



Turn(Odds) (Pot : $10.20)



River (Pot : $10.20)


3n3yd shows a pair of Kings
phrenik shows a pair of Jacks
3n3yd wins the pot ($9.52) with a pair of Kings
phrenik adds $5

Summary
Total pot $10.20 | Rake $0.68
Board:
Seat 1: stevwxyz folded before the Flop
Seat 2: phrenik showed and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: hennessy73 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Sbenaglio (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: 333tgm333 is sitting out
Seat 6: 3n3yd (big blind) showed and won ($9.52) with a pair of Kings
Seat 7: coma1980 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: nightmoon4 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: edutesako didn't bet (folded)

I figured with how much 3n3yd was 3betting and how much I was stealing that this was just a squeeze and so I tried my very first 4bet bluff. I obviously found out that my read was wrong when he 5bet me all-in. Now I was in a situation I've never been in before. Do I have the odds to call? I ended up calling with the faint hope that he was bluffing and that if he wasn't, that the math would justify the call when I figured it out later on.

Pokerstove says I have a 28% equity against QQ+ and AK. I was getting 2.52:1 (28%) pot odds so it'd be a breakeven call against that range. The range I've assigned is pretty tight but that's generally all tight players show up with when they are all-in preflop. So do I call or do I fold, or is it the same either way?

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domyouji Zimbabwe. Jan 09 2010 04:15. Posts 435

fancy play syndrome at 5nl

to live the dream you gotta play the game

phrenik Canada. Jan 09 2010 04:17. Posts 98

This is the first time I've 4bet bluff in 37k hands. I usually play pretty ABC but this just seemed like a decent spot to try. It's probably not going to make a comeback for a couple of stakes.

domyouji Zimbabwe. Jan 09 2010 05:09. Posts 435

yea i mean there is no need to 4b bluff unless you got history against each other

to live the dream you gotta play the game

redrain0125 Canada. Jan 09 2010 05:11. Posts 5455

oh man microstakes is getting pretty serious yo

joLin United States. Jan 09 2010 05:22. Posts 3818

4bet bluff implies folding to a shove.

and dont 4bet bluff 17/9 nits, the math just doesnt work out to where its profitable.

and definitely size your 4bet smaller so youre getting a better price on your bluff. like 1.50 would be fine.

but just dont 4bet bluff this guy.

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Last edit: 09/01/2010 05:23

anon Lithuania. Jan 09 2010 05:24. Posts 5965

fucking cardrunners

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phrenik Canada. Jan 09 2010 05:27. Posts 98

He had 3bet me off a few hands but I was probably overreacting to the fact his 3bet stat was so high. At least I got a new situation to think about and now I have a better idea of what to do in the future. I do tend to make some dumb decisions based on stats though.

phrenik Canada. Jan 09 2010 05:30. Posts 98

On January 09 2010 04:22 joLin wrote:
4bet bluff implies folding to a shove.

and dont 4bet bluff 17/9 nits, the math just doesnt work out to where its profitable.

and definitely size your 4bet smaller so youre getting a better price on your bluff. like 1.50 would be fine.

but just dont 4bet bluff this guy.

Thanks, I don't think I really need to add 4bet bluffing to my arsenal just yet but what you said makes a lot of sense and I'll keep it in mind for the future.

Stroggos New Zealand. Jan 09 2010 06:19. Posts 1117

severely outleveling yourself here...

AznFisherman United States. Jan 09 2010 07:12. Posts 956

just fold preflop please