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hiems United States. Feb 06 2010 14:16. Posts 2979

So I played poker with a couple of friends yesterday.

Some interesting hands

EP Limps MP limps. I Isolate with A9o. Two callers.

(The EP limper is loose/passive I say but in a diff way than MP limper. He is loose generally, but he is had some sweet pots earlier and has built a monster stack...So he is willing to gamble with alott of junk. The MP limper loves to limp and does so with most of his hands...Its hard to put my finger on exactly how loose his range is for limping, nothing too crazy but def v loose)

EP checks. MP bets like $9 into 1.30 pot on AQJ. He only has like $6 behind.

He cant have AQ, AK, QQ, JJ. So the hands that beat me are basically AT(8), AJ(6), QJ(9) KT(16).
I beat 9T(12), Anything below A8(8 each), QT(12), JT(12).

Its pretty close between hands the beat me and hands that I crush//am ahead of...So basically whether the call was correct//not comes down to reads. I still can't really figure out whether the call was good or not.

On the one hand, I have a read on him that he does NOT bet draws aggressively. On the other hand I also have a read that he often likes to slow play the nuts. Ex. I have seen him in a multiway pot where I iso raised with QTss from sb. He limp/flat called with like A3hh from EP. Button flat called as well. Flop was Lowcards//2 hearts. He checked his nut flush draw and when turn heart came he flat called (I bet after I hit a ten I think). Button flat called. Then he value bet river, where I folded.

Whether or not he would take this line with A8 and below, I cannot say.

Also, I have seen him tilt and spew chips when he is losing in a session in the past. (With some stupid calls, Don't remember any particular stupid overbets tho)

I call, and we get the rest in on the turn. (Hiding results)

Hand 2

I raise EP with TT. Caller from the big blind. Flop comes Q53 rainbow 2 spades. I bet for close to pot he calls. Turn comes non spade Ace. He dink leads for like 1/5 of the pot...I feel that he is really weak here, and tbh I dont think he has a Queen. I bet like 2/3 pot. He calls. River is a brick. I Shove what I have left, a pretty decent sized raise.

Anyway this hand was kinda interesting to me cause it raises an interesting question.

On the turn, can I be Bluffing and Value Betting at the same time??

My read on him is that he is bad enough to call with ANY GUTTER and any pocket pair in this spot, which I think he has alot of the time. (Fwiw in the session I raised EP once with AA and KK and he called from blinds with 66 and 55 and he stacked me after hitting a set twice...He was a really short stack both times).

So on the Turn I am value betting against a ton of junk hands. And although his dink bet//body language made me feel he is weak here, its reasonable that he can have queens here. And against Queens, I can bet the Ace, and barrel any decent river to bluff against that part of his range. So on the turn, is it possible to be Value Betting his gutters/pocket pairs and bluffing vs his Queens at the same time??

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Last edit: 06/02/2010 14:35

joLin United States. Feb 06 2010 17:16. Posts 3818

i only read the end of the post but it doesnt make sense to be able to bluff and value bet at the same time. bluffing means youre folding out better hands and value betting means youre getting worse hands to call. it doesnt make sense that you should be able to get him to fold a strong part of his range (Qx) and call with a weaker part (small pocket pairs).

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Etherone Canada. Feb 06 2010 17:44. Posts 753

is this 6 max or fullring

and hand 2 i think is read dependent, if you think he is holding a queen then it's a bluff, since you stated he stacks off light. if you think he is holding crap it's a value bet.
in this particular case you are betting vs his range and thus made a "marginal"( not really marginal since, according to you, you crush most of his range) value bet, and if he holds then you turn your river action into a bluff if you bet since now it's much more likely he has a queen or an ace.

my 2 cents

hiems United States. Feb 06 2010 19:51. Posts 2979

its 6max

hm yeah i guess the turn is a vb and the river is a bluff.

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