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PokerStars Game #39588699254: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2010/02/11 13:38:33 ET
Table Hungaria III 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($10 in chips)
Seat 2: johnpbg ($10.35 in chips)
Seat 4: drumbun ($13.20 in chips)
Seat 5: ElzwisPresPl ($10.15 in chips)
Seat 6: maagzuur ($8 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $0.05
johnpbg: posts big blind $0.10
Ichspielen: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
drumbun: raises $0.30 to $0.40
ElzwisPresPl: calls $0.40
maagzuur: folds
Hero: calls $0.35
johnpbg: calls $0.30

Flop (Pot : $1.60)

   
Hero: bets $1.50
johnpbg: folds
drumbun: folds
ElzwisPresPl: calls $1.50

Turn (Pot : $4.60)

   
Hero: bets $3
ElzwisPresPl: raises $5.25 to $8.25 and is all-in
Hero: ......

PokerStars Game #39589481918: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2010/02/11 13:53:15 ET
Table Hungaria III 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($18.80 in chips)
Seat 2: johnpbg ($11.05 in chips)
Seat 3: suspicaz ($5.85 in chips)
Seat 4: drumbun ($12.50 in chips)
Seat 5: ElzwisPresPl ($19.30 in chips)
Seat 6: maagzuur ($8.10 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $0.05
johnpbg: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
suspicaz: folds
drumbun: folds
ElzwisPresPl: folds
maagzuur: folds
Hero: raises $0.20 to $0.30
johnpbg: calls $0.20

Flop (Pot : $0.60)

   
Hero: checks
johnpbg: bets $0.40
Hero: raises $1.10 to $1.50
johnpbg: calls $1.10

Turn (Pot : $3.60)

   
Hero: checks
johnpbg: checks

River (Pot : $3.60)

   
Hero: bets $2
johnpbg: ....

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Hmm when cbetting :

What type of hands am I folding out? This is going to relate directly with board texture//his preflop calling range. What does he call with preflop that are calling here and what type of hands do I fold out with a cbet? Pocket pairs? Broadways? Are there Draws out there? Ex you generally dont want to cbet boards like 352 or 953 or something like that with air...cause all of his pocket pairs will call you. But...if hes really weaktight and folds to alott of cbets, then it might be okay to bet a board like this, preferably the latter. Just keep in mind that alot of his calling range are these weak pocket pair types of hands, so look out for a good Q,K,or A to turn barrel imo. You also want to try not to cbet really drawy boards that will get calls from alot of stuff, like QJ8dd or something like that if you have air. Your basically burning money if you do so.

What type of player is he? Does he never fold to cbet...loose passive calling station? Or he is a weak/tight player? Or maybe he is a loose player that likes to see alot of flops but folds when he doesnt hit. As mentioned, even if the board is really bad if he folds to cbet like 70% or more....you can get away with alot more. On the other hand if he never folds to a cbet, makes no sense to cbet a burn ur money away, especially OOP. Against these guys id probably only cbet really good boards.

What do I have? Do I have a hand that I has potential to improve? Also, sometimes theres going to be situations where u have a decent hand where you will either be WA/WB...Ex A2 on A55 or something...In these cases its okay to check back in position hoping he catches like a K or Q so you can get value outta him later.


-side note : Im also playing NL 10 SH right now, so if any of the higher players say something different from the advice offered might be wise to listen to them

In hand 1, it might be a good idea to fold AJo preflop, since your OOP and you cant really expect to get much value out of it. But the call isnt too bad. I probably fold after he raises there...The turn bet seems fine...I have read the statement "In general, the bet/fold line is the standard with 2 pair" in Fee's 6 Max guide, but yeah this turn kinda sucks so not too sure.

edit: oops not 2 pair pair and oesd...yeah not too sure.

I check/fold flop in hand 2. Also, if you stole 3 times in a row against this guy, might be good idea to fold that crappy hand preflop.

Hey hiems, thanks alot you gave really great advice. I need to work on adding in that kind of thought process while playing; "What types of hands is my opponent likely to hold, which hands will my opponent likely fold to a cbet, if i am called what will i do on a turn that completes a draw / missess / comes an overcard to the flop"

Huh, am i the only one to think that the donkbet was retarded in hand 1 and not cbet in hand2 is not a good idea either ?
Why i don't donkbet with the hand 1 is because i want to control the pot by check calling and check fold on the turn because most of the time if they barrell a 2nd time on the turn on nl10, it mostly means he has something. With no read i'd easily fold the turn by check calling the flop. And wait for a better opportunity.

Hand 2 you have nothing, you wanted to steal the pot why not cbet once again ? You're just losing more money by check raising. It's nl10 ffs just wait for nl25 if you want to play a little more tricky.

Other than that keep up playing

hey RaiZ, yea pot control is an area that i definately have trouble with, i often just spaz out and bet with any piece of the board,

thanks for the advice

hand 1: don't bet that turn unless you plan on calling a shove - which you should be doing now at this point. And don't donk bet flop, you're better check raising
hand 2: for the love of God fold preflop

On February 11 2010 19:39 AznFisherman wrote: hand 1: don't bet that turn unless you plan on calling a shove - which you should be doing now at this point. And don't donk bet flop, you're better check raising

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you can certainly bet the turn without calling a shove. you can always bet assuming theres worse hands in villains range that will call, such as draws and stuff. this doesnt commit you to the hand.

and plz dont checkraise it. vs any reasonable villain youre just going to get it in vs a range thats dominating yours.

i'd prob just fold this preflop, getting into multiway pots with AJo isnt going to be that great.