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k2o4 United States. Mar 22 2010 09:09. Posts 4803 | | |
Obama sent this email:
| | For the first time in our nation's history, Congress has passed comprehensive health care reform. America waited a hundred years and fought for decades to reach this moment. Tonight, thanks to you, we are finally here.
Consider the staggering scope of what you have just accomplished:
Because of you, every American will finally be guaranteed high quality, affordable health care coverage.
Every American will be covered under the toughest patient protections in history. Arbitrary premium hikes, insurance cancellations, and discrimination against pre-existing conditions will now be gone forever.
And we'll finally start reducing the cost of care -- creating millions of jobs, preventing families and businesses from plunging into bankruptcy, and removing over a trillion dollars of debt from the backs of our children.
But the victory that matters most tonight goes beyond the laws and far past the numbers.
It is the peace of mind enjoyed by every American, no longer one injury or illness away from catastrophe.
It is the workers and entrepreneurs who are now freed to pursue their slice of the American dream without fear of losing coverage or facing a crippling bill.
And it is the immeasurable joy of families in every part of this great nation, living happier, healthier lives together because they can finally receive the vital care they need.
This is what change looks like.
My gratitude tonight is profound. I am thankful for those in past generations whose heroic efforts brought this great goal within reach for our times. I am thankful for the members of Congress whose months of effort and brave votes made it possible to take this final step. But most of all, I am thankful for you.
This day is not the end of this journey. Much hard work remains, and we have a solemn responsibility to do it right. But we can face that work together with the confidence of those who have moved mountains.
Our journey began three years ago, driven by a shared belief that fundamental change is indeed still possible. We have worked hard together every day since to deliver on that belief.
We have shared moments of tremendous hope, and we've faced setbacks and doubt. We have all been forced to ask if our politics had simply become too polarized and too short-sighted to meet the pressing challenges of our time. This struggle became a test of whether the American people could still rally together when the cause was right -- and actually create the change we believe in.
Tonight, thanks to your mighty efforts, the answer is indisputable: Yes we can.
Thank you,
President Barack Obama |
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vlseph United States. Mar 22 2010 09:47. Posts 3026 | | | |
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EvilSky  Czech Republic. Mar 22 2010 10:16. Posts 8918 | | | |
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Etherone Canada. Mar 22 2010 10:16. Posts 753 | | |
oh noes socialism ! ! ! whats next cheaper higher education!!? |
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Svenman87 United States. Mar 22 2010 11:44. Posts 4636 | | |
The way they passed this was pretty gross + the pork in the bill is even grosser :[ |
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Bejamin1 Canada. Mar 22 2010 12:48. Posts 7042 | | |
It's a good thing, but hard to judge just how good without seeing all the details of the bill. Difficult to know exactly how much reform has occurred.
Also Sven reconciliation has been used a ton of times in the past. A straight majority vote to decide the fate of the bill. Pretty sure it's more gross how many stupid people in the American system have been trying to kill healthcare reform rather than make adjustments that would improve it. Politics at it's worst. |
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Svenman87 United States. Mar 22 2010 12:55. Posts 4636 | | |
| | On March 22 2010 11:48 Bejamin1 wrote:
It's a good thing, but hard to judge just how good without seeing all the details of the bill. Difficult to know exactly how much reform has occurred.
Also Sven reconciliation has been used a ton of times in the past. A straight majority vote to decide the fate of the bill. Pretty sure it's more gross how many stupid people in the American system have been trying to kill healthcare reform rather than make adjustments that would improve it. Politics at it's worst. |
Unfortunately the way they want to improve it is getting kickbacks for their individual states, not the general reform of health care (which I don't oppose at all actually). |
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Bejamin1 Canada. Mar 22 2010 13:02. Posts 7042 | | |
Okay but the questions remain. I am also strongly for healthcare reform and frankly universal healthcare.
1. What reform has occurred? What major changes have happened? Are those overall changes worth more to you than a few meaningless kickbacks that have been occurring since politics was born?
2. What evidence do you have of these individual state kickbacks? Are we talking good quality impartial sources with clear evidence or some random extreme bias like Fox news? |
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ive been looking around online and can't find any definitive answers on what this bill will change. i hear a lot of talk about a bill would decrease the cost of healthcare, but i don't think that's true at all, it'll likely just redistribute who pays. looking for clear answers for what's going on but my first reaction is 'oh fuck, don't pass this shit  ' |
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chris United States. Mar 22 2010 13:59. Posts 5504 | | |
im still waiting for obama to put gas in my car |
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Fraser Canada. Mar 22 2010 14:05. Posts 4605 | | |
| | On March 22 2010 12:59 chris wrote:
Obama pumps my gas |
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Currency New Zealand. Mar 22 2010 14:07. Posts 618 | | |
America waited a hundred years and fought for decades to reach this moment. '
LOL |
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| | On March 22 2010 12:59 chris wrote:
im still waiting for obama to put gas in my car |
I'm waiting for you to buy a car that requires less gas |
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so is obama  |
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i think this is very good
just wondering how the us can afford this. |
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whaackum United States. Mar 22 2010 15:09. Posts 1586 | | |
sigh......
| | On March 22 2010 12:02 Bejamin1 wrote:
Okay but the questions remain. I am also strongly for healthcare reform and frankly universal healthcare.
1. What reform has occurred? What major changes have happened? Are those overall changes worth more to you than a few meaningless kickbacks that have been occurring since politics was born?
2. What evidence do you have of these individual state kickbacks? Are we talking good quality impartial sources with clear evidence or some random extreme bias like Fox news? |
how can you support something when you don't even know what it is you are supporting. you might support the idea of this health care, but not living in America you probably have no idea of the changes that this bill will bring |
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| | On March 22 2010 13:49 gororokgororok wrote:
i think this is very good
just wondering how the us can afford this. |
It phases out portions of medicare (which were getting ridiculously expensive) in place of this reform, which is a cheaper version. That coupled with tax increases for those who make 200k+ and a tax on business who have more than 50 people working for them if they don't supply their workers with their on care is where the majority of the money is coming from. Also a 2% penalty tax or $650 (whatever is higher) if you refuse to get your own plan and work for a business that doesn't provide it. |
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Motiva United States. Mar 22 2010 15:12. Posts 104 | | |
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.4872:
as per TL thread yesterday, this is the most up-to-date version of the bill...
I personally think this whole thing is in the wrong direction. We don't need more regulation, this is just more wal-street robbery imo. We need actual reform and a real open market. Not something so regulated it's insane. |
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