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k2o4   United States. Apr 19 2010 08:28. Posts 4803
Not really... but kinda

When I started playing poker I gave myself 2 years to get to the point where I was making a living from it, figuring that would be plenty of time to learn the game and then build a BR. That was based off of what my friends had done during the glory days when nut peddling on Party Poker could beat 2/4 and 3/6 cause there were so many idiotic fish and no training sites. Of course I got in late and the UIGEA came into play in the first few months of my new poker career and cardrunners had started to become popular, with other video training sites springing up left and right.

I'm not blaming my "quitting" on the environment, I'm just saying that I had unrealistic expectations.

2 years went by and I was winning and at a stake where I could make a living off the game (NL100) but still hadn't built a BR that met my goals and I still hadn't won enough money to feel very confident that I could sustain it. But I was close so I gave myself 1 more year.

Over that year I've realized that if I'd played during the glory days I probably woulda made a solid profit, but I don't have enough natural skill to break through to the next level (2/4 and 3/6) in today's games. I've consistently won on NL100 for a long time and with the Supernova "rakeback" supplementing my small winrate I was able to live off of poker for a bit, and at other times use it as a side income. I was able to buy quite a few nice things, cover rent and utilities, and go on this 3 month Southeast Asia backpacking trip thanks to the poker income. But I could never win consistently on NL200 and my few NL400 shots (during my winning NL200 days) failed. I know it's cause I'm just not good enough in the natural skill department and I don't have the right mindset to be a poker winner - not competitive enough. I have made more of my money due to good discipline and tilt control than due to creative thinking. I can own fish but break even or lose to regs most of the time. And when I move up from NL100 there just aren't enough fish to feed off of (yet there are still lots of fish!)

So I've decided to "quit" poker - and by that I mean I'm going to quit pursuing it as a way to earn a living. I had dreams of grinding 3/6 and 5/10, making big bucks, saving it up and parlaying it into investments, going back to school, a home, etc... gonna give those up. I'm always going to keep playing poker as a hobby that brings in extra cash, but I won't be trying to make my living on poker anymore.

These last 3 months of traveling and taking a long poker break have helped me come to this decision. When I was grinding everyday it was so hard to let go of the dream. But getting some distance made me realize that I tried my best and came up short and now it's time to move on. That's fine. I'm happy about my brief poker "career" and I'm excited about my decision to put my full energy into another field.

So what now? I'm going back to school as I've finally figured out what I want to major in - Psychology / Psychiatry. Haven't nailed down which specific one to do yet and I'll be focusing on that and getting through all the paperwork to get back into school once I get home. For now I have 2 days in Bangkok dodging rioters and bullets and then I'm back to the good old US of A where I get to start a new path. And I couldn't be more excited and happy about it.

Thanks to everyone who's helped me along the way. I will still be involved here on LP and probably gonna go to the WSOP, so I hope to see everyone there again and have another great time. Actually, I'll probably look exactly the same as I always have as I'll be playing poker, posting hands, blogging, etc. The difference will be that the volume will be less and the goal will be changed.

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anon   Lithuania. Apr 19 2010 08:47. Posts 5965

good decision. good luck

Doyle Brunson: Fights with your wife or girlfriend are not healthy for you bank roll 

DaEm0niCuS   United States. Apr 19 2010 08:51. Posts 3292

Psychology? sorry but that's a horrible fucking idea.

Every time I attend a college graduation, I look over the student list/degrees and see 180+ psych majors and like 7 physics majors all I think is wow what a bunch of fucking morons. Have fun not getting a job and having 40k debt. Now that's the sick life.

If you like debt, failure, stupidity, and shitty jobs that have nothing to do with your major, go psych. The only psych majors who actually make decent livings are those who graduate from ivy league schools and most have masters/phds.

Anyways, just my 2 cents you would think after playing poker for 3 years you would have learned something about +EV decisions. If you want to understand how people think, use google or lay down for one hour and think about it, most psycho is simple logic+common sense.

I know a shit ton of people who have art/psych/theatre/(enter any bullshit degree here) and they all have 30-100k debt and work at shitty jobs that are completely unrelated to their degrees.

If your not a 3.5+ gpa student and your not going to an ivy league school and your not planning on getting a masters/PHD do NOT pick psych.

Your major is a very important decision, pick something you like and can use.


DaEm0niCuS   United States. Apr 19 2010 08:52. Posts 3292

how old are you btw? 20-22 would be my guess.


k2o4   United States. Apr 19 2010 09:08. Posts 4803

25 and I'm choosing it cause I like it, not to make money. I also have a few ideas of how to parlay the degree into money. Thanks for the concern but I'm not at all worried =)

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the cleaner   Germany. Apr 19 2010 09:50. Posts 3014

nice post. good luck man!

there are no facts only interpretations 

terrybunny19240   United States. Apr 19 2010 10:03. Posts 13829

sounds good man, sucks when something doesn't work out as grandly as one hopes (even if when they really do their best), but you're a smart and hard working guy and there are always opportunities around for someone like that.

I may be making a similar type of post at the end of this year, that's when my personal full time poker decision comes for me. I will try to approach that time as reasonably-minded as you have.

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Sloverville   United States. Apr 19 2010 10:37. Posts 232

Good luck k2o4.

I made the decision to go back to school last year and i couldn't be more happier. Hope it works out.


zulu_nation8   United States. Apr 19 2010 12:04. Posts 1929

Good luck Brett


sniderstyle   United States. Apr 19 2010 12:09. Posts 2046

I'm kinda in the same boat but right now I make slightly more money playing poker than I'm able to not playing poker so Imma stick with it for awhile. But I foresee myself giving up on in after this year if I don't do anything more substantial.


Best of luck!

Genginho: lose today 100 dollar only because of fishs they called and had luck on river 

Sicks Macks   United States. Apr 19 2010 12:17. Posts 3929

This sounds really well thought out, good luck.

Mr. Will Throwit 

royalsu   Canada. Apr 19 2010 12:21. Posts 3233

you won't regret it. I came to the same realization and love my life now.

I would recommend these books:
Malcolm Gladwell-everything he wrote
Switch, Dan Heath
The number sense, Stanislas Dahaene
Freakanomics

By the way did you know that 25% of Europe's pyschology majors are in France?

I recommend these books because they show a lot of interesting studies that psychologists do and I hope you get inspired and passionate about learning.

Gl


F4Zi   United Kingdom. Apr 19 2010 12:43. Posts 3462

good call with school.
best of luck.
hopefully meet you at wsop.

My girlfriend started blowing me and then she stopped, I went on tilt and donkey punched her. 

Mariuslol   Norway. Apr 19 2010 12:54. Posts 4742


  On April 19 2010 11:21 royalsu wrote:
you won't regret it. I came to the same realization and love my life now.

I would recommend these books:
Malcolm Gladwell-everything he wrote
Switch, Dan Heath
The number sense, Stanislas Dahaene
Freakanomics

By the way did you know that 25% of Europe's pyschology majors are in France?

I recommend these books because they show a lot of interesting studies that psychologists do and I hope you get inspired and passionate about learning.

Gl



i rly like "brain books", are those books a normal not too bright guy like me could read?

Love reading stuff from like Tony buzan, anthony robbins crap, Eckhart tolle and that kind of stuff.


vegable   United States. Apr 19 2010 13:18. Posts 2453

hey long time no see

i'm kinda feeling the same way. after starting poker in 2006 i'm fast beginning to see reality setting in. with a little more than a year left to graduate its kind of time to wake up and see that 10-20k a year from poker while dedicating focus on it is a but demanding. i think i'll give it the remainder of the year, then find myself another obsession...

if you're truly able to say that you gave it 100% then that dream can rest in peace.

also would recommend Malcolm Gladwell's writings, he's a pop sociologist and introduces perspectives. Just get audiobooks, you get all the information in 1/10 of the time

Stir fry Normandy 

rS.Wisdom[9]   United States. Apr 19 2010 13:29. Posts 1288

this might work out great. after i develop severe mental disorders from poker you can be my psychiatrist! good luck dude, and i'm sure we'll still see you around!


Vivi57   United States. Apr 19 2010 13:41. Posts 314

Looks like you've put alot of thought into this and I'm sure you won't regret this. At some point, the grind just isn't worth it any more and playing poker when you aren't motivated is something I could never see myself doing.

Maybe once you stop trying to win for a living and start playing for fun, the creativity will come back in and you'll start beating 1/2


Eluflop   Estonia. Apr 19 2010 13:55. Posts 3835

very well thought through indeed. I like it ... Well who knows this might actually change your game that you got rid of the pressure of becoming a pro. And who knows you might just be able to step it up ... i hope for the best for you in the future man =) good luck


NewbSaibot   United States. Apr 19 2010 17:44. Posts 4946

well at least you know you always have cheeseburger money when you put in a few hours at NL50. In fact you could bankroll 1 night of fine dining a week with the lady doing this.

bye now 

k2o4   United States. Apr 20 2010 12:51. Posts 4803

thanks everyone for the kind comments =)

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