Dealing with overly aggressive donks NL 25 rush

Dont play rush and develop reads to handle these situations instead?

On May 26 2010 18:10 MayZerG wrote: Dont play rush and develop reads to handle these situations instead?

Yeah I could do this lol

best way to deal with this is to fold to these raises until you get a bigger sample and read.

If they are still raising often after a while don't be afraid to jam all in hands like bottom pair and ace high on dry boards.

On May 26 2010 18:19 Stroggos wrote: best way to deal with this is to fold to these raises until you get a bigger sample and read. If they are still raising often after a while don't be afraid to jam all in hands like bottom pair and ace high on dry boards.

I dont ever suggest this.

On May 26 2010 18:19 Stroggos wrote: If they are still raising often after a while don't be afraid to jam all in hands like bottom pair and ace high on dry boards.

um yeah thats certainly EV+ right there

seems like tight straight forward poker is your easiest/best bet. just stop c betting when you wif so much or c bet only on solid boards w like AT ona KQx board or something or even Kxx rather than auto cbetting everything and getting owned.

just gear most of your bets towards value and you should fare much better.

if you really are betting check/raised or raised a lot, esp if it's a min raise or small raise then consider small 3 bets but that's for a whole new discussion.

Well you can either play a style so tight that you're practically never behind, or you just have to include tons more bluffing in your arsenal. Look at the board and what you are trying to rep. If you raise UTG and the flop comes 479, nobody is going to believe you hit, so they'll just raise your cbet with any pair or even air and be right to do it. Try to play IP as much as possible to avoid this stuff, and make plays that make sense. If you flat an UTG raise in the CO and the board comes 749, well then raise his fuckin cbet! You could have anything here, afterall you just called. If he calls or comes over the top then you're probably beat and can give up. A lot of people are folding when they are "priced in" because they have air. They are simply exploiting a lot of common spots and just taking stabs in the dark that you dont have anything, if they think they're beat there's no point in putting more money in the pot even if they're getting like 10:1. Consider it like playing HU, everyone is out to get you. It's swingy, assume the bigger stacks are pulling more tricks so you can play back at them, why do you think they're often people sitting 600bb's deep? Stay away from the small stacks since they're donks and dont understand any of this and will call off their stacks with whatever.

Don't play Rush. It's of the devil.

On May 26 2010 22:11 NewbSaibot wrote: Well you can either play a style so tight that you're practically never behind, or you just have to include tons more bluffing in your arsenal. Look at the board and what you are trying to rep. If you raise UTG and the flop comes 479, nobody is going to believe you hit, so they'll just raise your cbet with any pair or even air and be right to do it. Try to play IP as much as possible to avoid this stuff, and make plays that make sense. If you flat an UTG raise in the CO and the board comes 749, well then raise his fuckin cbet! You could have anything here, afterall you just called. If he calls or comes over the top then you're probably beat and can give up. A lot of people are folding when they are "priced in" because they have air. They are simply exploiting a lot of common spots and just taking stabs in the dark that you dont have anything, if they think they're beat there's no point in putting more money in the pot even if they're getting like 10:1. Consider it like playing HU, everyone is out to get you. It's swingy, assume the bigger stacks are pulling more tricks so you can play back at them, why do you think they're often people sitting 600bb's deep? Stay away from the small stacks since they're donks and dont understand any of this and will call off their stacks with whatever.

Okay so I just need to play logically with the regulars and only cbet my air with what they expect me to have. Think I should take advantage of this and bet my sets oop on what looks like a relatively dry board then to induce the reraise?

yes you should start to think about which buttons to click a little more

On May 26 2010 22:47 Carthac wrote: Okay so I just need to play logically with the regulars and only cbet my air with what they expect me to have. Think I should take advantage of this and bet my sets oop on what looks like a relatively dry board then to induce the reraise?

You can and should just play every hand logically. Just take a Cardrunners video for example, and you'd see that each play has only logic and not just random balls behind it.

If people are exploiting your too-automatic cbetting, just adjust so it's not exploitable anymore. Pick better spots/boards, cbet your air a little less, etc...